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Not sure which sutta(s) this is based on, but the story has value:

Though one may conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle, yet he indeed is the noblest victor who conquers himself. Self-conquest is far better than the conquest of others. No god or devil can turn into defeat the victory of a person who is self-subdued and ever restrained in conduct. Dhammapada
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The video says: "they were finally free from ideas of heaven & hell".

In fact, I think if we study study other religions, it appears the ideas of "heaven & hell" were made prominent by Buddhism.
There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.

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Nicholas Weeks wrote: Not sure which sutta this is based on, but
fake Buddha quote

:quote:
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:23 am
Nicholas Weeks wrote: Not sure which sutta this is based on, but
fake Buddha quote

:quote:
Could be so, but maybe story not in a sutta?

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Though one may conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle, yet he indeed is the noblest victor who conquers himself. Self-conquest is far better than the conquest of others. No god or devil can turn into defeat the victory of a person who is self-subdued and ever restrained in conduct. Dhammapada
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:23 am
Nicholas Weeks wrote: Not sure which sutta this is based on, but
fake Buddha quote

:quote:
i think he kept noble silence instead of answers to vachagotta
dont think
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Nicholas Weeks wrote: Could be so
The Thirty-one Planes of Existence
Scattered throughout the suttas are references to as many as thirty-one distinct "planes" or "realms" of existence into which beings can be reborn during their long wandering through samsara.
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:48 pm
Nicholas Weeks wrote: Could be so
The Thirty-one Planes of Existence
Scattered throughout the suttas are references to as many as thirty-one distinct "planes" or "realms" of existence into which beings can be reborn during their long wandering through samsara.
The planes notion is Dhamma, I just wonder about what Buddha supposedly said about God to the Atheist & Rama worshipper.
Though one may conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle, yet he indeed is the noblest victor who conquers himself. Self-conquest is far better than the conquest of others. No god or devil can turn into defeat the victory of a person who is self-subdued and ever restrained in conduct. Dhammapada
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Nicholas Weeks wrote: I just wonder about what Buddha supposedly said about God
those in the heavens are angels & Gods


hence the atheist is incorrect
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:17 pm
Nicholas Weeks wrote: I just wonder about what Buddha supposedly said about God
those in the heavens are angels & Gods


hence the atheist is incorrect
are heavens and gods just mind state or real entities? i think they are real entities .. what you think?
dont think
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confusedlayman wrote: what you think?
I think the afterlife is more real than this life
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Nicholas Weeks wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:10 pm The planes notion is Dhamma, I just wonder about what Buddha supposedly said about God to the Atheist & Rama worshipper.
It sounds like a fake-buddha-quote. I don't think there is any place where the Buddha tells someone "there is a God" as in creator god, even for a skillful means point. Impermanent devas, yes, all the time, but no creator-god.

See this long previous thread on god in buddhism:
https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?p=296179#top
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:23 pm
confusedlayman wrote: what you think?
I think the afterlife is more real than this life
what you mean?
dont think
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confusedlayman wrote:
cappuccino wrote: I think the afterlife is more real than this life
what you mean?
well the afterlife is very lasting


this life is very brief
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The message at the end of the video is pretty good, but it's based on a fake-buddha-quote, because the Buddha is not known for using untruths, even for skillful means, according to Classical Theravada.
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Psalm 14 wrote:The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”
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