Why no thought state is not discussed in sutta? Is it same as samadhi of non attention to signs? Is it same as cessastion of perception and feelimg ?
If ybere is no thought no mental expereiemce so no suffering but its not given in sutta? Whats the drawback?
Non clinging leads to cessation of thoughts?
Attainment of no thought
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Attainment of no thought
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It might be the second jhāna, in which vitakka and vicāra fall away.confusedlayman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:03 pm Why no thought state is not discussed in sutta? Is it same as samadhi of non attention to signs? Is it same as cessastion of perception and feelimg ?
If ybere is no thought no mental expereiemce so no suffering but its not given in sutta? Whats the drawback?
Non clinging leads to cessation of thoughts?
Like so many similar questions this will probably be a matter of definitions, but I would have thought (!) that one could have mental experience - feeling, for example - without directed attention and evaluation.
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the goal of buddhism is to have wisdom rather than be like a rock
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What do you mean by "no thoughts"?confusedlayman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:03 pm Why no thought state is not discussed in sutta? Is it same as samadhi of non attention to signs? Is it same as cessastion of perception and feelimg ?
If ybere is no thought no mental expereiemce so no suffering but its not given in sutta? Whats the drawback?
Non clinging leads to cessation of thoughts?
If it is without Vitakka and Vicara then the second Jhana.
If it is no perception and feeling then it is Cessation of Perception and Feeling.
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Rocks can have great Wisdom too.
That sage who has perfect insight,
at the summit of spiritual perfection:
that’s who I call a brahmin.
-Dhammapada.
at the summit of spiritual perfection:
that’s who I call a brahmin.
-Dhammapada.
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No. The rock has no wisdom.
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4.4. The Awakening Factors
"Furthermore, a mendicant meditates by observing an aspect of principles with respect to the seven awakening factors. And how does a mendicant meditate observing an aspect of principles with respect to the seven awakening factors?
It’s when a mendicant who has the awakening factor of mindfulness in them understands: ‘I have the awakening factor of mindfulness in me.’ When they don’t have the awakening factor of mindfulness in them, they understand: ‘I don’t have the awakening factor of mindfulness in me.’ They understand how the awakening factor of mindfulness that has not arisen comes to arise; and how the awakening factor of mindfulness that has arisen becomes fulfilled by development.
When they have the awakening factor of investigation of principles … energy … rapture … tranquility … immersion … equanimity in them, they understand: ‘I have the awakening factor of equanimity in me.’ When they don’t have the awakening factor of equanimity in them, they understand: ‘I don’t have the awakening factor of equanimity in me.’ They understand how the awakening factor of equanimity that has not arisen comes to arise; and how the awakening factor of equanimity that has arisen becomes fulfilled by development.
And so they meditate observing an aspect of principles internally, externally, and both internally and externally. They meditate observing the principles as liable to originate, as liable to vanish, and as liable to both originate and vanish. Or mindfulness is established that principles exist, to the extent necessary for knowledge and mindfulness. They meditate independent, not grasping at anything in the world"
Equanimity is perhaps the best description for no thought?
"Furthermore, a mendicant meditates by observing an aspect of principles with respect to the seven awakening factors. And how does a mendicant meditate observing an aspect of principles with respect to the seven awakening factors?
It’s when a mendicant who has the awakening factor of mindfulness in them understands: ‘I have the awakening factor of mindfulness in me.’ When they don’t have the awakening factor of mindfulness in them, they understand: ‘I don’t have the awakening factor of mindfulness in me.’ They understand how the awakening factor of mindfulness that has not arisen comes to arise; and how the awakening factor of mindfulness that has arisen becomes fulfilled by development.
When they have the awakening factor of investigation of principles … energy … rapture … tranquility … immersion … equanimity in them, they understand: ‘I have the awakening factor of equanimity in me.’ When they don’t have the awakening factor of equanimity in them, they understand: ‘I don’t have the awakening factor of equanimity in me.’ They understand how the awakening factor of equanimity that has not arisen comes to arise; and how the awakening factor of equanimity that has arisen becomes fulfilled by development.
And so they meditate observing an aspect of principles internally, externally, and both internally and externally. They meditate observing the principles as liable to originate, as liable to vanish, and as liable to both originate and vanish. Or mindfulness is established that principles exist, to the extent necessary for knowledge and mindfulness. They meditate independent, not grasping at anything in the world"
Equanimity is perhaps the best description for no thought?
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Can a book have Wisdom? If so, how?
That sage who has perfect insight,
at the summit of spiritual perfection:
that’s who I call a brahmin.
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at the summit of spiritual perfection:
that’s who I call a brahmin.
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A book has no wisdom. The wisdom is in the mind of the reader of the book.
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So you're saying the Suttas don't contain Wisdom? Are you sure?
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that’s who I call a brahmin.
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at the summit of spiritual perfection:
that’s who I call a brahmin.
-Dhammapada.
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Yes. The suttas are mere paper or electronic blobs.Mahabrahma wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:14 pm So you're saying the Suttas don't contain Wisdom? Are you sure?
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I'm pretty sure the Buddha's Wisdom is in there somewhere...DooDoot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:17 pmYes. The suttas are mere paper or electronic blobs.Mahabrahma wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:14 pm So you're saying the Suttas don't contain Wisdom? Are you sure?
You seem to be benefiting greatly.
That sage who has perfect insight,
at the summit of spiritual perfection:
that’s who I call a brahmin.
-Dhammapada.
at the summit of spiritual perfection:
that’s who I call a brahmin.
-Dhammapada.
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No thoughts means no volition.
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Books are not wise, but they may contain collections of words that provide a map to wisdom. The author may have wisdom. The reader may have wisdom. The book is a tool to transfer that wisdom.Mahabrahma wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:20 pmI'm pretty sure the Buddha's Wisdom is in there somewhere...DooDoot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:17 pmYes. The suttas are mere paper or electronic blobs.Mahabrahma wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:14 pm So you're saying the Suttas don't contain Wisdom? Are you sure?
You seem to be benefiting greatly.
A hammer does not construct a house, even if having a hammer is indispensable to constructing a house.
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Sutta mentions dispassion towards aggregates which covers the arising of thought. If there is dispassion no distracting or disturbing thought will arise.confusedlayman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:03 pm Why no thought state is not discussed in sutta? Is it same as samadhi of non attention to signs? Is it same as cessastion of perception and feelimg ?
If ybere is no thought no mental expereiemce so no suffering but its not given in sutta? Whats the drawback?
Non clinging leads to cessation of thoughts?
Cleared. αδόξαστος.