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Can anyone please help with this?

In AN 3.136, the word ṭhitāva appears, as in:
ṭhitāva sā dhātu dhammaṭṭhitatā dhammaniyāmatā.
I take the ṭhita bit to be the pp of tiṭṭhati, but where does the va bit come from? Is this eva, so it means something like "really stands" or "still stands"?

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The Sanskrit parallel from maybe-the-Sarvastivadins suggests "sthitā eveyaṃ" for how you parse it.

uppādā vā tathāgatānaṃ anuppādā vā tathāgatānaṃ, ṭhitāva sā dhātu dhammaṭṭhitatā dhammaniyāmatā idappaccayatā.
utpādād vā tathāgatānām anutpādād vā sthitā eveyaṃ dharmatā dharmasthitaye dhātuḥ
Sam Vara wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:33 am Is this eva, so it means something like "really stands" or "still stands"?

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Wiktionary suggests "so stands," "stands so" https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/eva%E1%B9%83
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Coëmgenu wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:10 pm The Sanskrit parallel from maybe-the-Sarvastivadins suggests "sthitā eveyaṃ" for how you parse it.

uppādā vā tathāgatānaṃ anuppādā vā tathāgatānaṃ, ṭhitāva sā dhātu dhammaṭṭhitatā dhammaniyāmatā idappaccayatā.
utpādād vā tathāgatānām anutpādād vā sthitā eveyaṃ dharmatā dharmasthitaye dhātuḥ
Sam Vara wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:33 am Is this eva, so it means something like "really stands" or "still stands"?

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Wiktionary suggests "so stands," "stands so" https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/eva%E1%B9%83
Thanks, C. Yes, if it were evaṃ it would be more obvious, and that's what this parallel suggests. The general meaning is pretty clear, but I hadn't come across that particular form before. :anjali:
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ṭhitāva = ontology ;)
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Sam Vara wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:26 pmThanks, C. Yes, if it were evaṃ it would be more obvious, and that's what this parallel suggests. The general meaning is pretty clear, but I hadn't come across that particular form before.
I don't think it is evaṃ, but rather eva. An emphatic particle. The e is elided.
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pulga wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:47 am
Sam Vara wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:26 pmThanks, C. Yes, if it were evaṃ it would be more obvious, and that's what this parallel suggests. The general meaning is pretty clear, but I hadn't come across that particular form before.
I don't think it is evaṃ, but rather eva. An emphatic particle. The e is elided.
Thanks pulga. :anjali:
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