Purify citta with patience

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Purify citta with patience

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Hi, would someone be able to help me with a short translation please? I would like the translate the English phrase:

'Purify citta with patience'

into Pali.

In my limited knowledge of Pali, I would expect to use the verb niddhamati for purify, and khanti for patience. I am not skilled enough how to conjugate everything correctly though.

Many thanks.
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Sacittapariyodapanaṃ
Khantī paramaṃ tapo titikkhā
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DooDoot wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:13 pm Sacittapariyodapanaṃ
Khantī paramaṃ tapo titikkhā
thank you! what would be the literal translation of this please?
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superzach wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:16 pm
DooDoot wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:13 pm Sacitta pariyodapana
Khantī paramaṃ tapo titikkhā
thank you! what would be the literal translation of this please?
Various translations are found by various translators of Dhammapada 183 & 184.
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superzach wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:36 am 'Purify citta with patience'

into Pali.

In my limited knowledge of Pali, I would expect to use the verb niddhamati for purify, and khanti for patience. I am not skilled enough how to conjugate everything correctly though.
I am not skilled at Pali either but to merely guess it might be:

* niddhamati/pariyodapeti (verb)
* cittaṃ (noun; accusative case, i.e., object of the verb)
* khantiyā (noun; instrumental case)

to purify the mind with patience/niddhamati cittaṃ khantiyā

hopefully an expert answers

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you rock! i found Sacittapariyodapanaṃ in the dhammapada before reading your reply:

Purifying one's own mind

very nice!
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:smile:

i have doubts niddhamati is the right word after browsing how it is used in the suttas (12 results for niddhamati
)

hopefully Ven. Dhammanando can comment
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In the 2005 Chanting book used by, e.g. Amaravati, on page 79, in the 'Verses on the Training Code', there is the passage:

Khantī paramaṃ tapo tītikkhā
Patience is the cleansing flame

Which is pretty much exactly as you suggested. perfect!
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superzach wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:47 am Khantī paramaṃ tapo tītikkhā
Patience is the cleansing flame
We can research & examine the Pali words:

https://suttacentral.net/define/khanti
https://suttacentral.net/define/parama
https://suttacentral.net/define/tapa
https://suttacentral.net/define/tapati
https://suttacentral.net/define/titikkhati
DooDoot wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:35 pm i have doubts niddhamati is the right word after browsing how it is used in the suttas (12 results for niddhamati
)
I am still hoping for some comments by the Pali Gurus on "niddhamati". :bow:
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I'm not very familiar with this verb, but it seems 'niddhamati' is used with the sense of removing something undesirable.

In AN 8.10:
Kāraṇḍavaṃ niddhamatha
"Get rid of the trash"

Niddhamitvāna pāpicche
"Having gotten rid of those of evil desires..."

AN 3.101
Tamenaṃ suvaṇṇakāro vā suvaṇṇakārantevāsī vā jātarūpaṃ mūsāyaṃ pakkhipitvā dhamati sandhamati niddhamati.
A goldsmith or his apprentice having placed the gold in a crucible, blows, melts, smelts/ refines it.

Dhammapada 239
kammaro rajatasseva
niddhame malamattano
Like a metalsmith would remove silver's dross...

I hope this helps.

PS
Khantī paramaṃ tapo tītikkhā
might better be translated as something like : 'patience and forbearance are the highest austerity'
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ssasny wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:37 am I'm not very familiar with this verb, but it seems 'niddhamati' is used with the sense of removing something undesirable.
Thank you ssasny :bow: . I got the same impression it would mean "removing the mind".

What about "purify the mind with patience", per the original topic question? Was my translation "pariyodapeti cittaṃ khantiyā" correct? Thanks
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superzach wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:36 am Hi, would someone be able to help me with a short translation please?
Do you just want the verb in the infinitive: "to purify..." ?

If not –that is, if you want a proper sentence – then you'll need to specify the person (first, second or third), the number (singular or plural) and the mood (indicative, optative or imperative, i.e., purifies, should purify, purify!).
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