Ah yes thank you for reminding me about the different meanings of dukkha and context. I've only been a practitioner for a few years and there is so much information to digest.DooDoot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:21 amDukkha does not have one meaning in the suttas. There are three main meanings per context:JamesNhatHahn wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:25 am It's common knowledge in Buddhism that the word "suffering" does not quite capture the exact meaning of Dukkha.
I don't like 'suffering'. I prefer unsatisfactory.
1. dukkha vedana = unpleasant feelings
2. dukkha lakkhaṇa = unsatisfactoriness (of impermanent things), per the three characteristics
3. upadana dukkha = suffering/torment of attachment, per the 1st noble truthBirth (jati) does not appear to mean reincarnation. Even the commentary the Vissudhimagga says the word "birth" has many meanings, included "what is formed"; "clan"; etcJamesNhatHahn wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:25 amI would generally agree reincarnation is suffering. Because the Buddha said birth is suffering.
His idea is about "birth". He believes "jati" means "reincarnation" instead of merely "bringing forth", "identity", etc. Obviously the word "jati/jato" does not mean "reincarnation" below:JamesNhatHahn wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:25 amBut people who have a problem with Dukkha being translated as suffering are reincarnation deniers?? I don't know where you get that idea from?
“In that case, Aṅgulimāla, go to that woman and say this:
“Tena hi tvaṃ, aṅgulimāla, yena sā itthī tenupasaṅkama; upasaṅkamitvā taṃ itthiṃ evaṃ vadehi:
15.6‘Ever since I was born in the noble birth, sister, I don’t recall having intentionally taken the life of a living creature. By this truth, may both you and your baby be safe.’”
‘yatohaṃ, bhagini, ariyāya jātiyā jāto, nābhijānāmi sañcicca pāṇaṃ jīvitā voropetā, tena saccena sotthi te hotu, sotthi gabbhassā’”ti.
https://suttacentral.net/mn86/en/sujato#15.5
In regards to rebirth, let me ask you a question dootdoot...would I be right in saying that the Buddha never used a word that would be analogous or consistent with "rebirth" in his teachings? He just described birth following death again and again if conditions are correct..
Who is a good interpreter of Pali? I usually listen to Bhikku Bodi's dhamma talks and interpretations.