pitithefool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:22 am
Man I wish I knew what you were talking about, but thanks!
Well, you have people on this forum who — not only cannot make the difference between kāmā (objects of sensual pleasures) and bāhirāni āyatanāni (external fields of sensory experience) — but can also indulge heavily into such a ludicrous "ontological relativity", that they can say such ridiculous things like: "Buddhism is not a synthetic a priori" - while at the same time saying: "what I have just been arguing is based on belief (and analysis of the suttas). This will be the case until I directly experience nibbāna for myself. You might reply with, "but you don't know that will ever happen" to which I would also agree. There is, of course, an element of risk with any trust & faith. It's a risk I'm more than willing to take."
Or else, saying that the first four jhanas do not involve the senses - while at the same time advocating that: "the Totality of what can be known, and which encompasses everything, has had all metaphysics removed from it, and has instead been reduced to direct sense experience".
Bloody messy intellect - isn't it?
How do you want to argue with such a person, whose avatar means "Seeker" in Brittonic (of which I am unfortunately a part of).
Let him seek, without having to endure his pathetic pretentious and dubious sureties.
I see no rationale in the suttas WITH PARALLELS, that could have one pretend that the ajjhattikāni āyatanāni cannot experience objects, that do not carry lust (kāma).
By the way, AN 6.63 has no parallel for the extract. The verse is included neither in T57, nor in MA 111.
Expect a dubious discussion, from a dubious extract in a sutta.
Also, you're right — Buddhist logic has nothing to do with the logic of the "Universal") Enlightenment — let alone the Goidelic one (of which I am [also,] unfortunately a part of) .
Some working for the Mara's world; some for the Brahma's world; some for the Unborn.
Those who desire good are few, and those who desire evil are many.
(And you just can't imagine how much goodness, those who desire evil, are ready to display - ToVincent).