okrobertk wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:21 amThere is some controversy as to what other substances would be included in this factor in line with the Great Standards. Since the Canon repeatedly criticizes alcohol on the grounds that it destroys one's sense of shame, weakens one's discernment, and can put one into a stupor -- as happened to Ven. Sagata -- it seems reasonable to extend this rule to other intoxicants, narcotics, and hallucinogens as well. Thus things like marijuana, hashish, heroin, cocaine, and LSD would fulfill this factor. Coffee, tea, tobacco, and betel do not have this effect, though, so there is no reason to include them here....
Effort. The Vibhanga defines drinking as taking even as little as the tip of a blade of grass. Thus taking a small glass of wine, even though it might not be enough to make one drunk, would be more than enough to fulfill this factor.
literally whats the difference between cocaine and tea?
theyre both stimulants; one is illegal, one is legal
never mind that millions and millions of people are legally prescribed uppers like adderall
and also psychotropic medications (drugs)
in my personal experience gabapentin makes me say things i would not normally say, and it honestly reminds me of being drunk, but its prescribed for pain.
xanax will make you feel really happy too and change your behavior
putting a doctor in between you and a drug doesnt automatically make it more legitimate
but also i dont know that the substances listed in your document all induce destruction of shame, weakening of discernment, and putting one into a stupor
opiate pain relievers dont induce those things, do they?
then, if intent is the deciding factor, why would it be blameworthy to consume any alcohol for any reason?