I don't think that it's a good thing to direct our mind to seek for breaches and means to overcome rules.
We need to look at the spirit of the rule, not at It's form.
It's like the monk who, out of sensual desire, reflected : ok, so Lord Buddha prohibited sex with womens, but he said nothing about animal - what if I do sex with animals?
This reflection about what kind of drugs Buddha spoked about is of the same nature for me...
What we should look closely to - is dukkha of deluded mind. If we see danger in addiction and delusion - there will be no problem to keep this precept.
It's said that while someone want to do something - he is looking for opportunities; but if someone don't want to do something - he is looking for excuses.
Do we realy want to be free? What is the purpose and happiness of freedom? - important questions.
If you want to be free - then free yourself, don't seek for excuses and breaches in order to keep attachments and chains...
I don't judge anybody, just some reflection...
robertk wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:25 am
Either way,
For me things like coffee, tea and tobacco are not included. One could smoke 20 cigs a day with copius coffee and that doesn't lead to someone beating their wife -
And what if wife asks to stop smoking? Or if that addiction makes one dépend too much money on it? Or if one get some illnesses that family have to pay for?
All forms of addictions (games, social médias, etc) have danger in it...
Just some reflection
We don't live Samsara, Samsara is living us...
"Form, feelings, perceptions, formations, consciousness - don't care about us, we don't exist for them"