Sri Lankan PM promises to introduce new anti-conversion bill to protect Buddhists

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"Gateway" is in-group language for "India," because they think that by making India Christian, it will be a gateway to all of Asia, including Sri Lanka etc.

See 7:05 and onward in the video at this link entitled "2021-05-30 Missions Week 1 with Dr Miriam Charter" for specific substantiation of the "gateway" claim. The see video generally to hear about their plans and the internal narratives they spin about how India is a dangerous and murderous country filled with non-Christians. The sermon that I heard some years ago in-person from this same chuch about Thailand was similarly slanted by the missionary who was visiting.

https://www.torontoalliancechurch.ca/se ... 9wQxBafIxU

They have to call India via code because they believe that there could be legal repercussions back in India for this sermon. I think this is just bluster for the congregation, but could the wrong. It is actually rather unpleasant to listen to, sufficiently unpleasant that someone might ask for it to be removed from the forum, and I won't object, but it is certainly a dose of reality as to how these agents operate and the kind of rhetoric that they spread in their communities.
It is because the valleys are empty that they echo. It is because the mirror is empty that it reflects. It is because the flute is empty that it affects sound. It is because the ears are empty that they can listen. It is because the eyes are empty that they can see. It is because the nose is empty that it can smell.

If these were of substance inside, then there would be obstruction in these.

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Coëmgenu wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:35 pm "Gateway" is in-group language for "India," because they think that by making India Christian, it will be a gateway to all of Asia, including Sri Lanka etc.

See 7:05 and onward in the video at this link entitled "2021-05-30 Missions Week 1 with Dr Miriam Charter" for specific substantiation of the "gateway" claim. The see video generally to hear about their plans and the internal narratives they spin about how India is a dangerous and murderous country filled with non-Christians. The sermon that I heard some years ago in-person from this same chuch about Thailand was similarly slanted by the missionary who was visiting.

https://www.torontoalliancechurch.ca/se ... 9wQxBafIxU

They have to call India via code because there could be legal repercussions back in India for this sermon. It is actually rather unpleasant to listen to, sufficiently unpleasant that someone might ask for it to be removed from the forum, and I won't object, but it is certainly a dose of reality as to how these agents operate and the kind of rhetoric that they spread in their communities.
wrong view from christians, wrong fabrication, wrong assumption, wrong result... they can have wrong views but if they use that to physically attack other views or right view members then its a disturbance of peace for right view members... If wrong view not allowed then they cant get footing, so right view practice properly and right view members grow and fill the world.

if Ashoka said Jains go and hindus go out like that then buddhism would have further grown but it is the wrong view hindus and Jains and other invaders responsible for destroying buddhism documents and monuments ...
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Ceisiwr wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:30 am
Coëmgenu wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:12 am
for instance framing their own religious Christian beliefs as rational and scientific compared to "superstitious" and "religious" Buddhism.
I imagine they try to use the Big Bang a lot.
Yes, but it's a lot dumber than I think you are imagining. They will claim that the Bible is a scientific document with many predictions of future technologies discovered by the West. They will claim that the Bible predicted the big bang, dark matter, and even industrialization and Western market capitalism. They will imply that X society will also get the tech and the $$$, like the West has gotten, if they follow the "scientific document" that got the West to where it is.

Interestingly enough, many Muslim evangelists use the exact same rhetoric, i.e. "The Koran predicts brine pools and quantum physics!"
It is because the valleys are empty that they echo. It is because the mirror is empty that it reflects. It is because the flute is empty that it affects sound. It is because the ears are empty that they can listen. It is because the eyes are empty that they can see. It is because the nose is empty that it can smell.

If these were of substance inside, then there would be obstruction in these.

(from the writings of Master Liè, Daoist text, ~370AD)
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Coëmgenu wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:34 pm

Interestingly enough, many Muslim evangelists use the exact same rhetoric, i.e. "The Koran predicts brine pools and quantum physics!"
Yes. It’s a new version of the prophecy argument.
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They can't even read their own scripture. The section of the Koran they are talking about depicts this:

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The salt water doesn't mix with the fresh water until a ways out to sea.

They are arguing that it depicts this:

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...which would have been completely irrelevant to Muhammed's audience. But, hey, "prophecies!"
It is because the valleys are empty that they echo. It is because the mirror is empty that it reflects. It is because the flute is empty that it affects sound. It is because the ears are empty that they can listen. It is because the eyes are empty that they can see. It is because the nose is empty that it can smell.

If these were of substance inside, then there would be obstruction in these.

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Quite similar to the Hindu Nationalism currently in India, where muslims are killed for beef eating, or on suspicion that they are selling.
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The Sri Lankan Parliament is going to make a new law prohibiting misinterpretation of Tipitaka.
Any person who breaks the law is subject to seven years imprisonment and an Rs1000000 fine!
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SarathW wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:48 pm The Sri Lankan Parliament is going to make a new law prohibiting misinterpretation of Tipitaka.
Any person who breaks the law is subject to seven years imprisonment and an Rs1000000 fine!
Seven years imprisonment for an incorrect interpretation? That's even harsher than Sutta Central.
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Sam Vara wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:00 pm
SarathW wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:48 pm The Sri Lankan Parliament is going to make a new law prohibiting misinterpretation of Tipitaka.
Any person who breaks the law is subject to seven years imprisonment and an Rs1000000 fine!
Seven years imprisonment for an incorrect interpretation? That's even harsher than Sutta Central.
Not really.
In Sutta Central, it is life imprisonment. :tongue:
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SarathW wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:48 pm The Sri Lankan Parliament is going to make a new law prohibiting misinterpretation of Tipitaka.
Any person who breaks the law is subject to seven years imprisonment and an Rs1000000 fine!
Well, that's a step in the opposite direction. It's one thing to have a state orthodoxy, that has positive and negative consequences, it's another to ban dissent.
It is because the valleys are empty that they echo. It is because the mirror is empty that it reflects. It is because the flute is empty that it affects sound. It is because the ears are empty that they can listen. It is because the eyes are empty that they can see. It is because the nose is empty that it can smell.

If these were of substance inside, then there would be obstruction in these.

(from the writings of Master Liè, Daoist text, ~370AD)
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Sam Vara wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:00 pm
SarathW wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:48 pm The Sri Lankan Parliament is going to make a new law prohibiting misinterpretation of Tipitaka.
Any person who breaks the law is subject to seven years imprisonment and an Rs1000000 fine!
Seven years imprisonment for an incorrect interpretation? That's even harsher than Sutta Central.
:rofl:
"Besides the two categories of paramattha (the real) and paññatti (concept), a third category does not exist. One who is skilful in these two categories does not tremble in the face of other teachings."

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