... And what, bhikkhus, is existence? There are these three kinds of existence: sense-sphere existence, form-sphere existence, formless-sphere existence. This is called existence... —SN 12.2
Inferior realm
Now the pleasure and joy that arise dependent on these five cords of sensual pleasure are the gratification in the case of sensual pleasures. —MN 13
If, Ānanda, there were no kamma ripening in the sensory realm, would sense-sphere existence be discerned? —AN 3.77
And what, bhikkhus, is the escape in the case of sensual pleasures? It is the removal of desire and lust, the abandonment of desire and lust for sensual pleasures. This is the escape in the case of sensual pleasures. —MN 13
Middling realm
Now the pleasure and joy that arise in dependence on that beauty and loveliness are the gratification in the case of material form. —MN 13
If, Ānanda, there were no kamma ripening in the form realm, would form-sphere existence be discerned?" —AN 3.77
And what, bhikkhus, is the escape in the case of material form? It is the removal of desire and lust, the abandonment of desire and lust for material form. This is the escape in the case of material form. —MN 13
Superior realm
The highest gratification in the case of feelings is freedom from affliction, I say. —MN 13
If, Ānanda, there were no kamma ripening in the formless realm, would formless-sphere existence be discerned?" —AN 3.77
And what, bhikkhus, is the escape in the case of feelings? It is the removal of desire and lust, the abandonment of desire and lust for feelings. This is the escape in the case of feelings. —MN 13
Three realms
Three realms
Namo Tassa Bhagavato Arahato Sammā Sambuddhassa
Re: Three realms
So your question is?
The following chart shows this in detail except for the last one cessation of perception and feeling (Nirodha Samapathi)
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dha ... /loka.html
The following chart shows this in detail except for the last one cessation of perception and feeling (Nirodha Samapathi)
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dha ... /loka.html
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: Three realms
Kamavacara realms included: Hells, Ghosts, Animal, Human, devas' realms (Catumaharajikā, Tavatimsa, Tusita, Yama, Nimmanarati, Paranimmitavasavatti), Asura realm (though still considered as a divine realm).
Rupavacara realms: Visible Brahma realms (Brahma Parisajja, Brahma Purohita, Maha Brahma, Parittabha, Appamanabha, Abhassara, Parittasubha, Appamanasubha, Subhakinna, Vehapphala, Asaññasatta, Aviha, Atappa, Sudassa, Sudassi, Akanittha).
Arupavacara realms: Invisible Brahma realms (Akasanañcayatanupaga, Viññanañcayatanupaga, Akiñcaññayatanupaga, Nevasaññanasaññayatanupaga).
There exists Devas, Brahmas, Ghosts, Asuras, Hells, etc. Secular Buddhism, supernatural being deniers, Buddhadasa (rejected Suttas with gods and other supernatural beings) were all wrong.
Rupavacara realms: Visible Brahma realms (Brahma Parisajja, Brahma Purohita, Maha Brahma, Parittabha, Appamanabha, Abhassara, Parittasubha, Appamanasubha, Subhakinna, Vehapphala, Asaññasatta, Aviha, Atappa, Sudassa, Sudassi, Akanittha).
Arupavacara realms: Invisible Brahma realms (Akasanañcayatanupaga, Viññanañcayatanupaga, Akiñcaññayatanupaga, Nevasaññanasaññayatanupaga).
There exists Devas, Brahmas, Ghosts, Asuras, Hells, etc. Secular Buddhism, supernatural being deniers, Buddhadasa (rejected Suttas with gods and other supernatural beings) were all wrong.
Hiriottappasampannā,
sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.
https://suttacentral.net/ja6/en/chalmer ... ight=false
sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.
https://suttacentral.net/ja6/en/chalmer ... ight=false
Re: Three realms
I don't know. Do you think kamma ripening means pleasure or pain (like in MN 46 "undertaking things now that ripen as pain or pleasure in the future)?
Do you agree that those in the material realm delight in beautiful and lovely things (while those in the sensual realm take delight in food, sexy bodies, sex, etc.)? Do you think the formless realm can be reached while very absorbed?
Namo Tassa Bhagavato Arahato Sammā Sambuddhassa
Re: Three realms
The ultimate of this existence is perception and feeling.mjaviem wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 9:46 amI don't know. Do you think kamma ripening means pleasure or pain (like in MN 46 "undertaking things now that ripen as pain or pleasure in the future)?
Do you agree that those in the material realm delight in beautiful and lovely things (while those in the sensual realm take delight in food, sexy bodies, sex, etc.)? Do you think the formless realm can be reached while very absorbed?
In that sense, it is reasonable to assume that Vipaka means the experience of perception and feeling.
That is why in Buddhism we transcend not only the unwholesome but also the wholesome.
However, Buddha allowed Jhanic pleasure for monks and certain sensual pleasure for laypeople.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: Three realms
I understand experience as feeling, how we are affected upon contact. We can have a pleasant experience, an unpleasant experience, or we can not be sure whether the experience is pleasant or unpleasant.SarathW wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 10:41 pm The ultimate of this existence is perception and feeling.
In that sense, it is reasonable to assume that Vipaka means the experience of perception and feeling.
That is why in Buddhism we transcend not only the unwholesome but also the wholesome.
However, Buddha allowed Jhanic pleasure for monks and certain sensual pleasure for laypeople.
Since we are ignorant we mistake gratification with happiness. Instead of abandoning craving for sensual pleasures, existence, or non-existence we seek delight in food, sex, and other sensual pleasures or we seek delight in higher elements for example a beautiful landscape in the sunset, a lovely song, or an inspiring spirituality story. Or if advanced enough, none of that, we seek delight in the purest experiences of all. But doing this keeps us in samsara and our good and bad actions determine whether we get this gratifying pleasures we are so eager of or not.
If only we could understand and practise accordingly.
Namo Tassa Bhagavato Arahato Sammā Sambuddhassa
Re: Three realms
I think what matters is the clinging (Upadana)we seek delight in higher elements for example a beautiful landscape in the sunset, a lovely song, or an inspiring spirituality story.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: Three realms
SN 22.65 Bodhi wrote:...
“Venerable sir, it would be good if the Blessed One would teach me the Dhamma in brief….”
“Bhikkhu, in seeking delight one is bound by Mara; by not seeking delight one is freed from the Evil One.”
“Understood, Blessed One! Understood, Fortunate One!”
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Namo Tassa Bhagavato Arahato Sammā Sambuddhassa