03/19/2021 Fox News: Ex-Us Director of Intelligence speaks about UFOs

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this topic tries to explain about the 7 past Buddhas that arose here on Planet Earth ..
Past Buddhas, where in time and space do we place them?

Just to help us focus on EBTs, the seven Buddhas mentioned in DN14 are:

Vipassī
Sikhī
Vessabhū
Kakusandha
Konāgamana
Kassapa
Gotama

https://discourse.suttacentral.net/t/pa ... -them/6647
at the time I had several doubts and made this comment
in this galaxy there are many planets … in this universe there are many galaxies …

and 7 bodhisattvas have attained enlightenment here on this Planet Earth.

This is a very Blessed Planet !!!

Do the Suttas explain this?

or only in Mahayana Buddhism?



https://discourse.suttacentral.net/t/pa ... asoliveira
So..

The Buddha said that beings are infinite ..

Is there life in other planets..

Are there Buddhas on other Planets?

Can Beings light up on other planets?
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Lucas Oliveira wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:38 pm
Buddhist cosmology of the Theravada school

Human Beings (manussa loka)

5 - Human (manussa loka): Birth in this plane results from giving and moral discipline of middling quality. This is the realm of moral choice where destiny can be guided. The Khana Sutta mentioned that this plane is a unique balance of pleasure and pain. It facilitates the development of virtue and wisdom to liberate oneself from the entire cycle or rebirths. For this reason rebirth as a human being is considered precious according to the Chiggala Sutta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_ ... ada_school
The Characteristics of Humans may well be the Characteristics of Some Species of Aliens.
Humans (Homo sapiens) are a species of highly intelligent primates. They are the only extant members of the subtribe Hominina and—together with chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans—are part of the family Hominidae (the great apes, or hominids). Humans are terrestrial animals, characterized by their erect posture and bipedal locomotion; high manual dexterity and heavy tool use compared to other animals; open-ended and complex language use compared to other animal communications; larger, more complex brains than other primates; and highly advanced and organized societies.[3][4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
Researching more about this word that means the Human Kingdom..
Human beings in Buddhism

Humans in Buddhism (Sanskrit: मनुष्य, IAST: manuṣya, Pali manussa) are the subjects of an extensive commentarial literature that examines the nature and qualities of a human life from the point of view of humans' ability to achieve enlightenment. In Buddhism, humans are just one type of sentient being, that is a being with a mindstream. In Sanskrit Manushya means an Animal with a mind. In Sanskrit the word Manusmriti associated with Manushya was used to describe knowledge through memory. The word Muun or Maan means mind. Mind is collection of past experience with an ability of memory or smriti. Mind is considered as an animal with a disease that departs a soul from its universal enlightened infinitesimal behavior to the finite miserable fearful behavior that fluctuates between the state of heaven and hell before it is extinguished back to its infinitesimal behavior.

In Buddhism, humans have a very special status: only a human can attain enlightenment as a fully enlightened Buddha. Enlightenment as an arhat can be attained from the realms of the Śuddhāvāsa deities. A bodhisattva can appear in many different types of lives, for instance as an animal or as a deva. Buddhas, however, are always human.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_beings_in_Buddhism
I liked the explanation about "Manu" in Hinduism ..

but this one explains in the Buddhist view is very interesting too.

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For those who like this subject about Ufology

In my humble opinion..

The Best Official UFO Evidence
2001 National Press Club Event (Presented by Dr. Steven Greer)


Martyn Stubbs - Secret NASA Transmissions - Smoking Gun
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/ ... s_smoking/

Moon Rising - Jose Escamilla
https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comment ... escamilla/

LunaCognita - Cary Martynuik
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/ ... _has_been/
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The Disclosure Project - Dr. Steven Greer - 2001 ... 2021

https://www.dharmapaths.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2166


Hi people!

I tried to organize the activities of the Disclosure Project and Dr. Steven Greer since 2001.

Enjoy!

Much Better than the Pentagon Report!

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Ah, physician Steven Greer !

(M.D. means that you are a qualified physician, not a PhD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of ... ted_States

!)

The guy who says that we can talk telepathically to aliens, we just need to get out in the wilderness and "tune in" on them :) And they will come!...

This is the funniest stuff ever, I find :)
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Medical doctors get called "doctors" in English too. If you are a doctor and your last name is Chayer, you are "Dr. Chayer" in English as much as someone with a PhD named "Watson-Russell" is "Dr. Watson-Russell" in whatever field their doctorate is in. People need to remember that there is more than one kind of "doctor" in English. Is the man decentive and implying he has a PhD? Possible, but he is not lying in identifying himself as "Dr. So-and-so." That's how we speak English.
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Coëmgenu wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:01 pm Medical doctors get called "doctors" in English too. If you are a doctor and your last name is Chayer, you are "Dr. Chayer" in English as much as someone with a PhD named "Watson-Russell" is "Dr. Watson-Russell" in whatever field their doctorate is in. People need to remember that there is more than one kind of "doctor" in English. Is the man decentive and implying he has a PhD? Possible, but he is not lying in identifying himself as "Dr. So-and-so." That's how we speak English.
Yes, but these are different usages. You say when you talk to your friend/wife etc: I have an appointment with Dr. Stevens today/on Monday. He is a "Doctor" only in this respect: namely, he can heal someone. Otherwise he is Mr. Stevens. But PhD Stevens is Dr. Stevens always (even legally, as far as I understand. At least it's this way here in Europe).

I think medical doctor, professional physician Greer deliberately misleads people referring to himself as "Dr.", creating a false sense of scientific/scholarly credibility -- or his fans mislead people thus (on the covers of his books he is MD).

But you should rather listen to what he's got... The dude is a total wacko.
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Lucas Oliveira wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 9:41 pm
The Best Official UFO Evidence
I think the best evidence is what Commander David Fravor witnessed. And it is officially confirmed by the Air Force etc.

People like Greer only discredit the field , IMO.
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just an update :spy:

It's tomorrow! Public Hearing on UFOs at US Congress!

Open C3 Subcommittee Hearing on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022, at 9:00 a.m. EST, the House Intelligence Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation Subcommittee, chaired by Congressman André Carson (D-Ind.) will hold an open hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena. Following the open portion of the hearing, the subcommittee will hold a closed, classified briefing.




Congress to Hold First Open Hearing About UFOs in 50 Years

https://www.vice.com/en/article/g5qany/ ... n-50-years


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I understand the attraction to UFOs, but from my personal experience it leads to neuroticism (especially if one is religious).
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Motova wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 9:07 pm I understand the attraction to UFOs, but from my personal experience it leads to neuroticism (especially if one is religious).
The Christians do have some legitimacy.
https://listverse.com/2016/04/24/10-his ... show-ufos/

I only knew about The Madonna with Saint Giovannino painting and Max Spiers death is a bit weird.
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Deadelectronics wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 12:46 am
Motova wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 9:07 pm I understand the attraction to UFOs, but from my personal experience it leads to neuroticism (especially if one is religious).
The Christians do have some legitimacy.
https://listverse.com/2016/04/24/10-his ... show-ufos/

I only knew about The Madonna with Saint Giovannino painting and Max Spiers death is a bit weird.
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I think the impact of such phenomena has more to do with "governance" than with our understanding of the universe and whether other beings share it with us. The legitimacy of governments depends on their ability to "protect citizens" from enemies or intruders, and whether these "enemies" are humans or extraterrestrial does not make a big difference.

While the idea of God provided that "alien" element for centuries, regimes made sure to justify their actions and decisions on earth to be inline with the invisible god. God has always been hiding behind its messengers, but seems to have a place in human logic and thought as a plausible possibility. It is no coincidence that declaring the death of god coincided with another declaration, that is, we are alone in the universe and we should take responsibility of our existence and future - i.e the age of humanism.

The visibility of extraterrestrials, unlike god, makes their connection to earth experiential and more direct, without the medium of a messenger. The very same visibility seems to imply technological advancements, that they can appear to earthly beings at will. Human technology, on the other hand, operates in the realm of the six sense media, and sheds lights on our spatial awareness that earthly laws are not as fixed as we believe them to be. It is a matter of knowing how to manipulate such laws in ways that enhance our control over ourselves and surroundings. This paves the way to all kind of conspiracy theories and science fiction that there are elite groups, or secret societies, or governments who are more "in the how" than the average populace. As such, a congressional hearing becomes necessary to clear things up, or to strike a balance between transparency, alleviating doubts and keeping state secrets intact.

As to the relationship to Buddhism, polytheism seems more conducive to the belief in aliens than monotheism. Having different allegiances to different gods or extraterrestrial groups could explain why governments engage in endless conflicts over absurdities. Beyond the facade of national and religious narrative, they might be receiving some telepathic or even direct orders from their masters, where planet earth is a mere theater to solve rivalries between gods through their agents on earth!

Before leaving this to rest, a hybrid theory between gods and extraterrestrials can be easily overlooked. A god that is hijacked by aliens is not necessarily implausible. It is our habitual thinking that associate the term "god" with superior powers, but if s/he is a subject to impermanence, aliens can be even more superior by virtue of their ability to appear to earthly beings at will, whereas god is yet to demonstrate such abilities. :popcorn: Allowing god to make contact with selected humans (prophets and messengers) seems to be a necessary condition for alien influence to be more effective moving forward.
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Bundokji wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 4:10 pm
I think Gods or Devas are Spiritual

and Aliens are from the physical plane

but there are no barriers. Devas can manifest on the human plane and humans and aliens can evolve spiritually.

in the movie guardians of the galaxy 2, it shows a god of the tiny d between the aliens and a human

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Lucas Oliveira wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 2:41 am
Bundokji wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 4:10 pm
I think Gods or Devas are Spiritual

and Aliens are from the physical plane

but there are no barriers. Devas can manifest on the human plane and humans and aliens can evolve spiritually.

in the movie guardians of the galaxy 2, it shows a god of the tiny d between the aliens and a human

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - Welcome to Ego Planet Scene


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Hello Lucas Oliveira,

Where would aliens be in Buddhist cosmology according to what you think/know? did you mean by the physical plane the fine material plane or the sensual plane?
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