Tantra Buddhism

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Re: Tantra Buddhism

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Ceisiwr wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 4:47 pm Theravāda the tradition, not monks ordained in its lineage with contrary views to it.
Theravada, (Pali: “Way of the Elders”) major form of Buddhism prevalent in Sri Lanka (Ceylon), Myanmar (Burma), Thailand, Cambodia, and Laos. Theravada, like all other Buddhist schools, claims to adhere most closely to the original doctrines and practices taught by the Buddha.
I take what you meant by contrary view is what wasnt stated in the suttas belongs to Theravada tradition position .
What exactly is your understanding by intermediate state if i may ask .
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Re: Tantra Buddhism

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Coëmgenu wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 8:14 pm for someone who is ESL :
You meant "I referred to the tradition of Theravāda; not to monks ordained in the lineage of Theravāda but who have contrary views at variance with it."
Well , i was thinking what being held as "supposed to be correct understanding" according to Theravada tradition may actually be inaccurate . And what being held incorrect as "Differing View" in Theravada tradition could be accurate instead .

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Re: Tantra Buddhism

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The idea of an intermediate state is useful as a reflexive tool about this very life. This life could well be an intermediate state where ones own actions is being re-played before being reborn into a new one. This act of re-play might present a unique opportunity for changing the course of action and repentance before resurrection.
He who having been heedless is heedless no more, illuminates this world like the moon freed from clouds.

He, who by good deeds covers the evil he has done, illuminates this world like the moon freed from clouds.
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

This was the last word of the Tathagata.
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Re: Tantra Buddhism

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4GreatHeavenlyKings wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 1:10 am
Rambutan wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 12:57 pm The Buddha gave teachings and answered questions put forth by farmers, kings, his own sangha, etc. for some forty years. But I don’t recall reading suttas where he interacts with sadhus, yogis or ascetics, of which india literally has, and had at that time, thousands. He even hung out with five of them just before attaining realization. Aside from those five, were there others?

I find this very strange, considering how integrated Tantra is with the indian view of reality itself.
There are many suttas in which the Buddha is portrayed as doing such. For example, in the Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta, he interacts with the wandering philosopher Vacchagotta, and in the Ādittapariyāya Sutta, the Buddha delivers a sermon to 1000 ascetics who formerly practised a sacred fire ritual.
Thanks. That’s just what I was wondering about
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Re: Tantra Buddhism

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Any time in an āgamasūtra or a Pāli sutta you see the Buddha interacting with any given "Brahmin," these are generally Brahmin yogis, i.e. śramaṇas. Most of the Buddha's discourses in the early Buddhist texts are to, as you put it, "sadhus, yogis or ascetics." There is a smaller amount of discourses that are addressed to householders who may or may not be farmers, fishermen, merchants, etc.

Even Vacchagotta has a Brahmanical name ("Vatsagotra").
I heard it from a friend who heard it from a guy just before last call at the Publican House: Thomas the Bodhi-Wizard abode at Osmow's. Seeing a patron heading to the bathroom, Thomas quickly moved to relieve the man of his selfishly undonated plate. Caught, he spoke:

"'It's yours' is an extreme. 'It's mine' is another.
The Bodhi-Wizard splits the shawarma down the middle.
A sandwich arisen of causes and conditions
is a nonexistent sandwich.
A nonexistent sandwich is a designatory convenience.
This is the riddling way."

The man was awestruck.
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