Is bodily pain also dukkha?

[wenjaforever]

Pain ceases in the 1st jhana. Sadness ceases in the 2nd jhana. Desire ceases in the 3rd jhana. Happiness ceases in the 4th jhana. Your body ceases to exist in the 5th jhana. You become omnipresent in the 6th jhana. Your consciousness ceases to exist in the 7th jhana. Nothingness ceases in the 8th jhana. The 9th jhana is Nirvana.

[mjaviem]

Pain ceases in the 1st jhana. Sadness ceases in the 2nd jhana. Desire ceases in the 3rd jhana. Happiness ceases in the 4th jhana. Your body ceases to exist in the 5th jhana. You become omnipresent in the 6th jhana. Your consciousness ceases to exist in the 7th jhana. Nothingness ceases in the 8th jhana. The 9th jhana is Nirvana.

So? Is bodily pain also dukkha?

[wenjaforever]

So? Is bodily pain also dukkha?

Yes. The 1st jhana gets rid of physical dukkha. The 2nd jhana gets rid of mental dukkha. The 3rd jhana gets rid of physical sukha. The 4th jhana gets rid of mental sukha.

The 1st arupa jhana gets rid of your body. The 2nd AJ gets rid of limit. The 3rd AJ gets rid of your consciousness. The 4th AJ gets rid of nothingness.

Nirvana gets rid of nothinglessness.

[bpallister]

i think it's only mental sankharas, but this concept is a bit difficult to grasp for me.

[pegembara]

Pain ceases in the 1st jhana. Sadness ceases in the 2nd jhana. Desire ceases in the 3rd jhana. Happiness ceases in the 4th jhana. Your body ceases to exist in the 5th jhana. You become omnipresent in the 6th jhana. Your consciousness ceases to exist in the 7th jhana. Nothingness ceases in the 8th jhana. The 9th jhana is Nirvana.

Isn't it the case that bodily pain only ceases in the arupa state?

Do you mean there is still "something" after "nothing"?
Does the screen(of consciousness) that shows nothing also disappears(cessation of perception and feeling) in the 9th jhana?
Or is that the "7th jhana"?

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html

[wenjaforever]

Isn't it the case that bodily pain only ceases in the arupa state?

Do you mean there is still "something" after "nothing"?
Does the screen(of consciousness) that shows nothing also disappears(cessation of perception and feeling) in the 9th jhana?
Or is that the "7th jhana"?

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html

No, even mental pain ceases in the 2nd jhana AFAIK. Physical cessation always preludes mental ones.

Happiness and breathing ceases in 4th jhana. Joy ceases in 3rd jhana. Please read that again. Happiness ceases in 4th jhana. Prior to arupa jhana.

I'm not sure about that but consciousness ceases in the 3rd arupa jhana which only leaves behind nothingness. So perception should cease as well.

Some people don't actually understand what Nirvana is. Nirvana is unfathomable.

[santa100]

Happiness and breathing ceases in 4th jhana. Joy ceases in 3rd jhana. Please read that again. Happiness ceases in 4th jhana. Prior to arupa jhana.

I'm not sure about that but consciousness ceases in the 3rd arupa jhana which only leaves behind nothingness. So perception should cease as well.

Partially correct. Consciousness is still there and only some level of perception particular to the previous jhana would cease in the subsequent ones, as per AN 9.31:

“Monks, there are these nine step-by-step stoppings. Which nine?

“When one has attained the first jhāna, the perception of sensuality has been stopped. When one has attained the second jhāna, directed thoughts & evaluations [verbal fabrications] have been stopped. When one has attained the third jhāna, rapture has been stopped. When one has attained the fourth jhāna, in-and-out breaths [bodily fabrications] have been stopped. When one has attained the dimension of the infinitude of space, the perception of forms has been stopped. When one has attained the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness, the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of space has been stopped. When one has attained the dimension of nothingness, the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness has been stopped. When one has attained the dimension of neither-perception nor non-perception, the perception of the dimension of nothingness has been stopped. When one has attained the cessation of perception & feeling, perceptions & feelings [mental fabrications] have been stopped.

“These are the nine step-by-step stoppings.”

[wenjaforever]

Partially correct. Consciousness is still there and only some level of perception particular to the previous jhana would cease in the subsequent ones, as per AN 9.31:

It clearly says the dimension of nothingness. Nothing is left not even your consciousness. But even then old creepy guy death/samsara won't leave you alone.

[Nicolas]

It clearly says the dimension of nothingness. Nothing is left not even your consciousness.

What is the dimension of nothingness? It occurred to me: ‘It’s when a mendicant, going totally beyond the dimension of infinite consciousness, aware that “there is nothing at all”, enters and remains in the dimension of nothingness. This is called the dimension of nothingness.’

Consciousness ceases with the cessation of perception & feeling.

“Feeling, perception, & consciousness, friend: Are these qualities conjoined or disjoined? Is it possible, having separated them one from another, to delineate the difference among them?”

“Feeling, perception, & consciousness are conjoined, friend, not disjoined. It is not possible, having separated them one from another, to delineate the difference among them. For what one feels, that one perceives. What one perceives, that one cognizes. Therefore these qualities are conjoined, not disjoined, and it is not possible, having separated them one from another, to delineate the difference among them.”

[pegembara]

[asahi]

Consciousness ceases with the cessation of perception & feeling.

Not being conscious in halting condition doesnt mean consciousness already terminated .