The analogy of the candle should be understood correctly. One flame conditions the arising of the next. However unlike an actual candle, for rebecoming the next candle only lights up when the first extinguishes.
There is always a locus of experience and witnessing from life to life to liberation. The various internal and external conditions that arise and cease around this can change.
Reincarnation was not taught by the Buddha
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"Therein monks, that Dimension should be known wherein the eye ceases and the perception of forms fades away...the ear... the nose...the tongue... the body ceases and the perception of touch fades away...
That Dimension should be known wherein mentality ceases and the perception of mind-objects fades away.
That Dimension should be known; that Dimension should be known."
(S. IV. 98) - The Dimension beyond the All
That Dimension should be known wherein mentality ceases and the perception of mind-objects fades away.
That Dimension should be known; that Dimension should be known."
(S. IV. 98) - The Dimension beyond the All
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“Sabbe dhammā anattā”ti, yadā paññāya passati.
Atha nibbindati dukkhe, esa maggo visuddhiyā.
“‘All phenomena are not-self:’ when one sees this with wisdom,
one is disgusted with suffering; this is the path to purity.” (Dhammapada verse 279)
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That’s not a denial of soul
I’m not affirming soul either
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just wanted some pleasant discussion on the non-Buddhist topic of "reincarnation."retrofuturist wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 5:17 am Greetings,
It's a pretty stock-standard Theravada description, and thus no real surprise.
So what is the purpose of this topic exactly, bpallister?
Metta,
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Do you think I have potential?Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 6:34 amThat’s how they would think of it, yes.
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Well of course I’m not a Buddha but IMO, based on my interactions, yes.bpallister wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 11:46 pmDo you think I have potential?
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
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The sole purpose of Buddhism is literally to end reincarnation
money is worthless toilet paper • the tongue has no bone (a person might say one thing but it cannot be further from the truth) • you cannot teach a goat math as in you cannot teach the dhamma to a dumb person
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what about births in non-human realms? is ending those not a goal of Buddhism??wenjaforever wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 7:42 am The sole purpose of Buddhism is literally to end reincarnation
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I don't understand your question. If you have a low karma you can be born as animals or peta. Some petas even live in hell tortured by asuras. But to escape reincarnation you have to go beyond 4th arupa jhana.bpallister wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 9:50 pmwhat about births in non-human realms? is ending those not a goal of Buddhism??
The age of mahabrahma is 1 kalpa. The age of bakabrahma is 8 kalpas. The age of mara is 1/8 kalpa. The age of subhakina devas are 64 kalpas. The age of akanitha devas are 512 kalpas. The age of 4th arupa jhana dwellers are 2 million kalpas.
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Not necessarily. That's why the Buddha taught the Seven types of noble disciples in MN 70, including what's called the white-lotus vs. the red-lotus ascetics, who have different levels of jhanic attainments.wenjaforever wrote:But to escape reincarnation you have to go beyond 4th arupa jhana.
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Re: Reincarnation was not taught by the Buddha
If that is what the definition is saying, then it is a very bad definition. All Dharmic religions include animals, heavenly realms, hell realms, among others, as potential places of reincarnation or rebirth, including Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism.bpallister wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 10:20 pm but reincarnation is taking birth as a human
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/reincarnation
There might be a few New Age movements that say human only, but they are not Buddhism, nor very Dharmic.
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Rebirth is true.
Reincarnation or transmigration isn't the right term.
Reincarnation or transmigration isn't the right term.
Hiriottappasampannā,
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Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.
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sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.
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Transmigration is difficult because the same consciousness doesn't go to-and-fro.
Reincarnation, "re-enfleshment," can be fine, but the arūpya devas are not fleshly and are not carnal.
Rebirth is best, but the other two can be used so long as it is understood that there is no transmigratory Ātman or Jīva or Kāya or Sattva or Pudgala in the Dharma.
IMO.
Reincarnation, "re-enfleshment," can be fine, but the arūpya devas are not fleshly and are not carnal.
Rebirth is best, but the other two can be used so long as it is understood that there is no transmigratory Ātman or Jīva or Kāya or Sattva or Pudgala in the Dharma.
IMO.
What is the Uncreated?
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
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If you’re not there to experience the rebirth, then how is rebirth a source of suffering for the one who has expired?Coëmgenu wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:35 am Transmigration is difficult because the same consciousness doesn't go to-and-fro.
Reincarnation, "re-enfleshment," can be fine, but the arūpya devas are not fleshly and are not carnal.
Rebirth is best, but the other two can be used so long as it is understood that there is no transmigratory Ātman or Jīva or Kāya or Sattva or Pudgala in the Dharma.
IMO.
Like the three marks of conditioned existence, this world in itself is filthy, hostile, and crowded