Pulsar wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 2:21 pm
Dear Ceisiwr: You say that the Arahant has a body, you wrote...because you are brainwashed by the teachings of Abhidhamma.
I'm not "brainwashed". I actually disagree with the Abhidhamma on many points. I don't need to be an Ābhidhammika to argue that Buddhas and Arahants still have bodies, minds, physical & mental contacts and feelings. The suttas and their parallels will do.
Can you pl define identification for me?
Simply put, an idea or notion due to clinging. A mental fabrication.
When Buddha used
the word body in relation to Dependent origination
(as in SN 47.42)
he meant the forms arising in the mind, due to the feeding of consciousness,
So far this is unsubstantiated.
Can you tell me what the body feeds on?
This morning I had a McDonalds breakfast. Later on today I ate some strawberries and grapes.
This is the first establishment of mindfulness according to the sutta on origination SN 47.42, which OP insists should replace MN 10.
The first foundation of mindfulness in that sutta is the physical body. The first foundation of mindfulness is always the physical body. What changes are which aspect of it are taken up for meditation.
According to MN 10/DN 22 and many Pali suttas that were written by Vibajjavadins and canonised by Vibajjavadin elders (Even though these were not Buddha's teachings) body is the physical body.
In the context of the Satipaṭṭhāna, that is what it is.
So yes, Arahant has a physical body, but that is not the body/rupa that Buddha refers to, as worthy of meditation as in (SN 47.42). But to folks like you whose faith is in Abhidhamma, you are right. To folks like me whose faith is in Buddha's awakening,
The Arahants body is the same body that we see in the Satipaṭṭhāna suttas.
rupa is a world phenomenon
Yes. The world agrees that physical form exists.
that the Arahant has got rid of. With love and hugs
They have cut off future form. Until they die, they still have to put up with their current form. They do so because it was the result of past intentional action, and so it has to run it's course. You can't just wish it away. Like a sun, or a flower, or a mountain it exists for a time until it ceases. The difference is that for you and me, a body will rise again. For an Arahant, it's all finally finished with at death. The merry-go-around ends for them.