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What is the difference between a bhikku(monk) and a bhikkuni(nun)?
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So biological sex is the difference.
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The nuns have more rules than the monks too.
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thepea wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:21 pm So biological sex is the difference.
Yes, I don't think there was any concept of gender identification 2500 years ago and as with public toilets and competitive sport I think it would be problematic to implement in a monastery.
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Goofaholix wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:10 pm
thepea wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:21 pm So biological sex is the difference.
Yes, I don't think there was any concept of gender identification 2500 years ago and as with public toilets and competitive sport I think it would be problematic to implement in a monastery.
Yes, I can’t find a Pali word for gender.
But given oxfords dictionary definition: gen·der
/ˈjendər/
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noun
1.
either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.
"a condition that affects people of both genders"

Given the use of word “established” I would argue that at buddhas time there were two accepted genders and ones genitals denoted identity for ordination.
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thepea wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:01 pm Given the use of word “established” I would argue that at buddhas time there were two accepted genders and ones genitals denoted identity for ordination.
What? The Buddha began ordinations for those who have no genitals. Are you out of your mind? <grin>

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NotMe wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:12 pm
thepea wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:01 pm Given the use of word “established” I would argue that at buddhas time there were two accepted genders and ones genitals denoted identity for ordination.
What? The Buddha began ordinations for those who have no genitals. Are you out of your mind? <grin>

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I thought one of his question to ordain was, “are you human?” Humans have male or female genitals. There are very rare cases where an infant can initially appear to be born without genitals or with both but only one will function.
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what about the other 29 genders? :stirthepot:
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thepea wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:58 am
NotMe wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:12 pm
thepea wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:01 pm Given the use of word “established” I would argue that at buddhas time there were two accepted genders and ones genitals denoted identity for ordination.
What? The Buddha began ordinations for those who have no genitals. Are you out of your mind? <grin>

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I thought one of his question to ordain was, “are you human?” Humans have male or female genitals. There are very rare cases where an infant can initially appear to be born without genitals or with both but only one will function.
I lose my mind every now and then. I was thinking of when he presented the Abhidhamma to the higher planes of existence.

Were any eunuchs in the canon ever ordained?

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NotMe wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:24 pm
thepea wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:58 am
NotMe wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:12 pm

What? The Buddha began ordinations for those who have no genitals. Are you out of your mind? <grin>

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I thought one of his question to ordain was, “are you human?” Humans have male or female genitals. There are very rare cases where an infant can initially appear to be born without genitals or with both but only one will function.
I lose my mind every now and then. I was thinking of when he presented the Abhidhamma to the higher planes of existence.

Were any eunuchs in the canon ever ordained?

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I don’t know but they would have been born a male or female and if they ordained I think it would be according to that. Genetalia has nothing to do with the practice.
Other than attracting others.
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