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I beat on things and made noises for a good part of my ~70 years here. The cross-over of what I learned and Buddhism are incredible in my experience.

Didn't know if this belongs in the Health/Fitness, but my question (to come) I think fits here kinda.

some science
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 110513.htm
lotsa science quoted
https://globaldrumcircles.com/why-drumm ... od-for-you

Research brought me to studies that showed 10 minutes of a really good beat alters the brain state - in a good way. Shamans etc used this for centuries.

My question is, when the Buddha reflected just before awakening, he remembered being on a hill under a tree and a *really* good brain state there, watching his Father march the troops back and forth on the training grounds, is it possible, just maybe, that there were drums or some sort of rhythmic cadence he could hear?

Commentaries on this anywhere?

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NotMe wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:46 pm I beat on things and made noises for a good part of my ~70 years here. The cross-over of what I learned and Buddhism are incredible in my experience.

Didn't know if this belongs in the Health/Fitness, but my question (to come) I think fits here kinda.

some science
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 110513.htm
lotsa science quoted
https://globaldrumcircles.com/why-drumm ... od-for-you

Research brought me to studies that showed 10 minutes of a really good beat alters the brain state - in a good way. Shamans etc used this for centuries.

My question is, when the Buddha reflected just before awakening, he remembered being on a hill under a tree and a *really* good brain state there, watching his Father march the troops back and forth on the training grounds, is it possible, just maybe, that there were drums or some sort of rhythmic cadence he could hear?

Commentaries on this anywhere?

Metta

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Anything is possible, of course, but the Buddha said that his teaching was complete and perfect, so there is no need to use drumming, even if it is compatible with the Buddha's path. SN 20.7 certainly shows that some communities had valued drums:
Staying at Savatthi. "Monks, there once was a time when the Dasarahas had a large drum called 'Summoner.' Whenever Summoner was split, the Dasarahas inserted another peg in it, until the time came when Summoner's original wooden body had disappeared and only a conglomeration of pegs remained. [1]

"In the same way, in the course of the future there will be monks who won't listen when discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — are being recited. They won't lend ear, won't set their hearts on knowing them, won't regard these teachings as worth grasping or mastering. But they will listen when discourses that are literary works — the works of poets, elegant in sound, elegant in rhetoric, the work of outsiders, words of disciples — are recited. They will lend ear and set their hearts on knowing them. They will regard these teachings as worth grasping & mastering.

"In this way the disappearance of the discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — will come about.

"Thus you should train yourselves: 'We will listen when discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — are being recited. We will lend ear, will set our hearts on knowing them, will regard these teachings as worth grasping & mastering.' That's how you should train yourselves."
But the final message here is that we should focus directly on what the Buddha said. But good luck with your practice, and I hope it benefits you as well as makes you happy!
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Even breathing is a cadence, and we are taught to explore changing it, until the cadence is imperceptible. So, maybe not so remote.

Focusing on what the Buddha taught & the commentaries is exactly why I asked. I do not know it all. Sigh ...


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Not drums, but the Buddha did use musical instruments as part of a simile, for example; the "not too tight, not too loose" simile:

http://zennaturalism.blogspot.com/2018/ ... loose.html
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And this:
I am an arahant in the world;
I, the unexcelled teacher.
I, alone, am rightly self-awakened.
Cooled am I, unbound.

To set rolling the wheel of Dhamma
I go to the city of Kasi.
In a world become blind,
I beat the drum of the Deathless
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
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Sam Vara wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:51 pm And this:
I am an arahant in the world;
I, the unexcelled teacher.
I, alone, am rightly self-awakened.
Cooled am I, unbound.

To set rolling the wheel of Dhamma
I go to the city of Kasi.
In a world become blind,
I beat the drum of the Deathless
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
Thank you guys! I think the Buddha "tried" to beat some nonsense out of the thick-skulled monks that couldn't get it, man I bet he was one mean dude not to mess with! I don't care HOW big a stick you carry! <grin>

I can't remember any past lives, but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts I could've been one of those numskull monks. And *still* circling in a holding pattern here in samsara ...

Should this be moved to health & wellness?

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edit to add: Surely the Bodhisattva hung out in the musicians heaven at least once - or is that plane of existence stuff non-doctrinal?
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NotMe wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:46 pm I beat on things and made noises for a good part of my ~70 years here. The cross-over of what I learned and Buddhism are incredible in my experience.

Didn't know if this belongs in the Health/Fitness, but my question (to come) I think fits here kinda.

some science
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 110513.htm
lotsa science quoted
https://globaldrumcircles.com/why-drumm ... od-for-you

Research brought me to studies that showed 10 minutes of a really good beat alters the brain state - in a good way. Shamans etc used this for centuries.

My question is, when the Buddha reflected just before awakening, he remembered being on a hill under a tree and a *really* good brain state there, watching his Father march the troops back and forth on the training grounds, is it possible, just maybe, that there were drums or some sort of rhythmic cadence he could hear?

Commentaries on this anywhere?

Metta

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I've been around drumming, and there is definitely something to it. I haven't come across it in a Buddhist context though.
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Yeah I quit clutching drumming, but I can’t take my finger off its pulse. That is to say I still bang.

I can’t help but think that meter, cadences, rhythm are not a huge part of all this. The rhythm of the moon calling the songha together etc. etc. The pulse of the engine of life.

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Where would I be without edit to add: The most basic pulse, the citta swinging from limb to limb like monkeys in the tree. I owe that to someone here.
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