I’m having problems letting go of self view can you guys help.
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The way I understand it, when you are familiar with Jhana you will know how it feels for the do-er to drop. I'm still trying to get to this point. I'd like to have Jhana.
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Re: I’m having problems letting go of self view can you guys help.
Another approach is to examine self-view itself. What does it feel like? Where does the "I am" come from?
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If one experiences "I’m having problems letting go of self view" isn't that experience "I’m having problems" a "self view" in the first place? And isn't the intention to get rid of "self view" necessarily based on "self view"?
"letting go of self view" is a myth.
If however the meaning of "letting go of self view" is simply to weaken self-identification with feelings, thoughts etc. then that's what modern secular psychotherapy knows and applies, too. So from a psychotherapeutic perspective it would be great to weaken the self-identification with the thought "I’m having problems letting go of self view".
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How about this for a start? The you is just a thought, nothing more than that. Everytime you are stuck, take a step back and just watch without identifying with whatever is going on.
That's just another thought in a whole string of thoughts. Let that thought come and go. The self that has problems also goes away with the thought!I’m having problems letting go of self view can you guys help.
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.
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What do you consider to be self view? Is it some "self", or I, me, Mine, or something else?
I am a Buddhist that doesn't practice Buddhism. What I practice is nekkhamma, abyāpāda, avihiṁsā, viraga, nirodha or the Noble Eight Fold Path. The elimination / eradication / extermination of defilements, kilesa's, raga, dosa, moha and asava's.
Lineage: Buddha > Sthaviravada > Vibhajjavada > Theravada > Striving for Nibbana.
Lineage: Buddha > Sthaviravada > Vibhajjavada > Theravada > Striving for Nibbana.
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But who is stepping back and doing the watching? Who is observing the I-thought?
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So I suggest you let go of buddhist views before it's too late.SteRo wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:55 pmIf one experiences "I’m having problems letting go of self view" isn't that experience "I’m having problems" a "self view" in the first place? And isn't the intention to get rid of "self view" necessarily based on "self view"?
"letting go of self view" is a myth.
If however the meaning of "letting go of self view" is simply to weaken self-identification with feelings, thoughts etc. then that's what modern secular psychotherapy knows and applies, too. So from a psychotherapeutic perspective it would be great to weaken the self-identification with the thought "I’m having problems letting go of self view".
Cleared. αδόξαστος.
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Take another step back.Spiny Norman wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:51 amBut who is stepping back and doing the watching? Who is observing the I-thought?
Who’s asking these questions?
Keep stepping back and you find that you are just like a dog chasing it’s tail.
“The light from the sun illuminates everything other than itself.”
The eye sees everything other itself. There’s the experience of seeing but no thing that is doing the seeing.
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.
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It is the thought that is observing and knowing .
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How so? A thought can be observed, but does not itself observe - it's a subject, not an object.
And of course most observing is done without the need for thoughts. Thoughts are a sort of internal commentary about what we observe.
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Exactly my point. And who is making the choice to meditate, keep the precepts, and so on?
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If you do meditation , whenever being aware or being mindful , soon you will find out the act of observing without giving rise to thought there is no understanding occur . Observing is the state where thought become subside but both are not something separated .Spiny Norman wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:57 pm How so? A thought can be observed, but does not itself observe - it's a subject, not an object.
And of course most observing is done without the need for thoughts. Thoughts are a sort of internal commentary about what we observe.
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I don't agree that thought is required for understanding. In my experience, thought is more like an internal verbalisation of what has been understood, a commentary.asahi wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:24 pmIf you do meditation , whenever being aware or being mindful , soon you will find out the act of observing without giving rise to thought there is no understanding occur . Observing is the state where thought become subside but both are not something separated .Spiny Norman wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:57 pm How so? A thought can be observed, but does not itself observe - it's a subject, not an object.
And of course most observing is done without the need for thoughts. Thoughts are a sort of internal commentary about what we observe.
And as the mind calms, the commentary subsides.
As for mindfulness, it is based on observation, and therefore based on the duality of observer v. observed.
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