Risk of taking vaccine jab

[Kumara]

It's mostly the unvaccinated who have "paid dearly".

Any statistics to back that up?

Actually, I know you can't produce reliable statistics, because data on adverse effects has been suppressed. But perhaps we'll get to see it as the FDA gradually release it.

[Kumara]

The worst that will happen is that you might feel not so great for a day or two.

Definitely not true.

[Eharp]

I doubt anyone here, unless they have advanced degrees and experience in immunology, have the background or understanding to parse any "statistics" and what they mean. Incredible amounts of misinformation, "experts" with their own agendas, and straight up lies have created a thicket of views. The only stats I need are the overflowing ICU wards, and morgues with bodies stacked in refrigerated trucks that we witnessed before the vaccines where available and among the unvaccinated during each new surge, and the growing list of my friends who refused to get vaccinated who are no longer with us. No matter what side you are on, you can find "stats" to back you up. I prefer listening to the science and the medical experts I trust. I got the jab and every booster since as soon as it was available. Those I know who didn't, did not live with regret for long.

[Kumara]

The death rate for nonvaccinnated is higher than for vaccinated. See, for example:
https://theconversation.com/most-covid- ... its-179648

It says: "Unfortunately, some commentators talked about that ratio as if it was all a real benefit of vaccination. It wasn’t."

[Kumara]

I doubt anyone here, unless they have advanced degrees and experience in immunology, have the background or understanding to parse any "statistics" and what they mean. Incredible amounts of misinformation, "experts" with their own agendas, and straight up lies have created a thicket of views.

Would that include you?

[Eharp]

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Would that include you?
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That would include both of us.

[cappuccino]

I was in hospital for three weeks

Knowing how bad it was with the protection of vaccines, I might have died without them.

maybe it was partly the reason… for being in the hospital

[retrofuturist]

Greetings,

I was in hospital for three weeks

Knowing how bad it was with the protection of vaccines, I might have died without them.

maybe it was partly the reason… for being in the hospital

That's a fair question. Since the vaccines were designed to artificially and specifically fixate the body's attention on the (now redundant) original version of COVID-19, it could have come at the expense of the body's natural ability to respond generally to all viral infections, including subsequent variants. Or so one theory goes...

Perhaps it's best to get off the booster train, let your last dose be your last, and allow the distortive effects of the vaccine to (hopefully) wane.

Metta,
Paul.

[Dan74]

It's mostly the unvaccinated who have "paid dearly".

Any statistics to back that up?

Actually, I know you can't produce reliable statistics, because data on adverse effects has been suppressed. But perhaps we'll get to see it as the FDA gradually release it.

I followed our local stats (Switzerland) both in regards to vaccine side effects and hospitalisations until mid last year. These vaccines (mRNA) are pretty heavy compared to the traditional vaccines, i.e. show a significantly higher rate of serious side effects. But they are also very effective against the risk of hospitalisation. Our hospital cohort has largely been the un-vaxxed, even though the majority (especially the elderly) are vaxxed, so if the vaccine was ineffective, you'd expect many more vaxxed people in the hospital than unvaxxed, but it's been the opposite.

And yeah, I am not an immunologist, but do have an advanced degree in stats (and a phd in probability theory). Mike's been sharing good info IMO, but once one's mind's made up, we tend to shut out anything that contradicts it and look for confirmation.

[Eharp]

Perhaps it's best to get off the booster train, let your last dose be your last, and allow the distortive effects of the vaccine to (hopefully) wane.

Metta,
Paul.

Can I respectfully ask what qualifies you to give medical advice?

[Dan74]

Greetings,

I was in hospital for three weeks

Knowing how bad it was with the protection of vaccines, I might have died without them.

maybe it was partly the reason… for being in the hospital

That's a fair question.

Is it, though? Or is it unfounded speculation?

Since the vaccines were designed to artificially and specifically fixate the body's attention on the (now redundant) original version of COVID-19, it could have come at the expense of the body's natural ability to respond generally to all viral infections, including subsequent variants. Or so one theory goes...

The variants have a lot in common, so not redundant. And that the vaccine interferes, rather than enhance the body's ability to fight the infection is something that needs to be backed up. Otherwise it's just more speculation.

Perhaps it's best to get off the booster train, let your last dose be your last, and allow the distortive effects of the vaccine to (hopefully) wane.

Sounds like you've made your mind up about the vaccine, but based on what?

Here most people aren't interested in more shots anyway. At least not now. I can list many anecdotal cases like other posters above, they seem more compelling than stats to many people. Weighing competing risks is not easy, but in my mind, there is no doubt that covid vulnerable people should get fully vaxxed and probably everyone over 60 anyway. 40-60 is borderline and under 40 has always been more about public health than individual benefit, IMO, i.e. stemmimg the spread.

[retrofuturist]

Greetings,

Can I respectfully ask what qualifies you to give medical advice?

I'm not claiming to have any qualifications.

Metta,
Paul.

[retrofuturist]

Greetings,

That's a fair question.

Is it, though?

Of course it is. What do you think an hypothesis is?

Sounds like you've made your mind up about the vaccine, but based on what?

Thanks for sharing your experiments at mind-reading with us.

Metta,
Paul.

[Dan74]

How is this adding to the discussion, Paul?

If I said, "I think it is fair to ask if you're a Chinese spy, sent to promote CCP's nefarious agenda", would that be constructive? Or unfounded speculation?

Or you just like to shoot the breeze?

Never mind. Delete.

[cappuccino]

unfounded speculation

you can't understand: this vaccine is dangerous