Lets looks at MN152 again .retrofuturist wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:22 am Greetings,
Two different things, yes.
It is mentioned as an indriya occasionally, and in that context would simply mean the ability to use the mind.
Presumably, but it would be sufficient to know that what is being referred to as an indriya is not a phenomena, nor is it dependent upon avijja.
It seems the meaning of training of indriya refers to involving the sense organ , sense object and sense consciousness etc as one series of events . Therefore per indriya alone , it suppose to refer to eyes etc .
It doesnt says anything about developing 5 spiritual faculties of faith (saddha); energy (viriya); mindfulness (sati); concentration (samadhi); and wisdom (panna) , as per your earlier post that you asserted ?!
Uttara, does Pārāsariya teach his disciples the development of the faculties?”
“deseti, uttara, pārāsiviyo brāhmaṇo sāvakānaṁ indriyabhāvanan”ti?
“He does, Master Gotama.”
“Deseti, bho gotama, pārāsiviyo brāhmaṇo sāvakānaṁ indriyabhāvanan”ti.
“But how does he teach it?”
“Yathā kathaṁ pana, uttara, deseti pārāsiviyo brāhmaṇo sāvakānaṁ indriyabhāvanan”ti?
“Master Gotama, it’s when the eye sees no sight and the ear hears no sound.
“Idha, bho gotama, cakkhunā rūpaṁ na passati, sotena saddaṁ na suṇāti—
That’s how Pārāsariya teaches his disciples the development of the faculties.”
evaṁ kho, bho gotama, deseti pārāsiviyo brāhmaṇo sāvakānaṁ indriyabhāvanan”ti.
“And how, Ānanda, is there the supreme development of the faculties in the training of the Noble One?
“Kathañcānanda, ariyassa vinaye anuttarā indriyabhāvanā hoti?
When a mendicant sees a sight with their eyes, liking, disliking, and both liking and disliking come up in them.
Idhānanda, bhikkhuno cakkhunā rūpaṁ disvā uppajjati manāpaṁ, uppajjati amanāpaṁ, uppajjati manāpāmanāpaṁ.