The concept of time of different existences

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The concept of time of different existences

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The basic theory in changing human time to dog time is with a ratio of 1:7. One minute for a human is 7 minutes for a dog, 1 hour is 7 hours, and one day is 7 days. However, this is an approximation since we can't exactly get a dog's point of view.

This may apply to other areas.
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How did the measure the ratio? average longevity?
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Greetings,
form wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:58 am The basic theory in changing human time to dog time is with a ratio of 1:7. One minute for a human is 7 minutes for a dog, 1 hour is 7 hours, and one day is 7 days. However, this is an approximation since we can't exactly get a dog's point of view.
I thought the purpose of that ratio was to understand, roughly, how long you might expect a dog to live?

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It's based on averages, but yes, not exact. For example, the beginning years are more than 7 as a typical animal matures into sexual maturity quite quickly.

For a cat, it's 15 to 1 for the first year, about 9 to 1 for the second year and then 4 to 1 for every year after that. So a 16 year old cat is roughly equivalent to an 80 year old human.

And to bring this topic back to Theravada, there are ratios for devas to human where some devas live in the millions of our earth-human years.
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With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

2 Peter 3:8
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retrofuturist wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:30 am Greetings,
form wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:58 am The basic theory in changing human time to dog time is with a ratio of 1:7. One minute for a human is 7 minutes for a dog, 1 hour is 7 hours, and one day is 7 days. However, this is an approximation since we can't exactly get a dog's point of view.
I thought the purpose of that ratio was to understand, roughly, how long you might expect a dog to live?

Metta,
Paul. :)
That too. But the concept of the perception is interesting to me
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DNS wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:48 am It's based on averages, but yes, not exact. For example, the beginning years are more than 7 as a typical animal matures into sexual maturity quite quickly.

For a cat, it's 15 to 1 for the first year, about 9 to 1 for the second year and then 4 to 1 for every year after that. So a 16 year old cat is roughly equivalent to an 80 year old human.

And to bring this topic back to Theravada, there are ratios for devas to human where some devas live in the millions of our earth-human years.
Always a psychological and a biological explanation.
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Maybe related to the appearance, change and disappearance of things.

For example-

Sun, moon, atoms decay
Viruses, bacteria, rodents, humans, turtles - lifespans
Thoughts, feelings, sounds.
Monsoons, summer, winter
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The sutta said beings that delight in the same things and have the same perceptions comes together.
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Of all the bugs, mayflies have the shortest lives. They only live a couple of hours to a day. Drone ants, house flies, fruit flies, pantry moths, and dragonflies also have very short lifespans.
However, if we remember our past lives we will never die.
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form wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:04 am The sutta said beings that delight in the same things and have the same perceptions comes together.
What sutta please.
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mjaviem wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:15 am
form wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:04 am The sutta said beings that delight in the same things and have the same perceptions comes together.
What sutta please.
When I come across again I will update you. That appear in more than one sutta is what I can tell you.
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DNS wrote: Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:48 am
And to bring this topic back to Theravada, there are ratios for devas to human where some devas live in the millions of our earth-human years.
If only we took these stream entry possibilities more seriously, we would surely live the dhamma more.
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That Dimension should be known wherein mentality ceases and the perception of mind-objects fades away.
That Dimension should be known; that Dimension should be known."


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