Goofaholix wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:37 pm
Konstantin Sol wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:24 pm
1) Perceptions, sensations, feelings come completely automatically, their awareness is weak, practically without consciousness. Here we cannot influence unless we close all five senses from the outside world.
I'm not sure what you mean by "close all five senses from the outside world". If we are practicing intensive mediation then sense de3priovation is a part of it, part of the idea is become aware of the things you describe on a more subtle level. Either way we are interested in being more aware of the sense contacts with the outside world, and the sense contact with the inner world ie the mind.
Konstantin Sol wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:24 pm
2) Further, some minor actions and decisions also usually occur automatically, awareness of them is weak. For example, we are crossing the road - the green light is on - we are going. Or bypassing obstacles on the way.
It is easy to understand these two stages that there is no "self" in them, here the action takes place, as it were, on the periphery.
If we recognise that awareness of awareness of day to day activities is weak, often because we think its not important enough to put effort into being aware during those activities, then we apply mindfulness to improve awareness.
Konstantin Sol wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:24 pm
Anger (feeling) has come. Getting rid of anger (control) will not arise by itself, automatically, you need to “work hard”, make efforts.
Also, dhyana will not arise by itself, automatically, we need to “work hard”, make efforts.
Yes
Konstantin Sol wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:24 pm
But in my opinion this is not confirmed in practice. Learning task in physics will not be solved by itself, dhyana will not arise by itself.
Yes
Yes, I found about automatic and non-automatic actions.
"The Psychological Attitude of Early Buddhist Philosophy
(according to Abhidhamma Tradition)" Lama Anagarika Govinda.
"Peripheral consciousness is the external, most differentiated, normal "day" consciousness of a person. Its boundaries are determined by the scope of the volitional ability to reproduce the previous (past) content of consciousness, i.e. degree of control over our memory.
The line of consciousness goes through all the states of the subliminal and subperipheral zones before it reaches the state of greatest differentiation in the periphery. In this case, the subliminal consciousness is "not yet fully conscious", latent consciousness, a tendency to become conscious, and the consciousness of the subperipheral zone is not yet perfect, or, more precisely, a dream-like consciousness. Only in the peripheral zone does consciousness become reflective, and the will of the individual becomes decisive. And to the same extent that the will is conscious of itself, it acquires freedom, or at least relative freedom, and is perceived as free will ...
...Consciousness is either volitional (sasankharika) or functions automatically (asankharika). (Sankhara, which in this case is translated as "volition", should not be confused with sankharakkhandha, i.e. a group of sankhara.) ...
So, indeed, there is a non-automatic, conscious, volitional, process of thinking, decision-making, control, etc., but without an “self” and in relation to cause and effect.
But I want to make a reservation that I know the Abhidhamma in general poorly, I just found something that interested me.
I will tell my assumptions, as I see it on the example of a profane point of view:
We solve a working problem in physics (engineer).
There is a cause-and-effect process choice - decide or not. Suppose there is fatigue, but there is also a need to solve the problem, since we need money and with it we can buy food, housing, security. And if we solve the problem, we will be paid money.
We make a choice - a volitional decision is made that it is necessary to study the task - thinking, will, effort. There is intention and action.
There is an assimilation of information - directed attention, will, awareness, effort. As a result, there is an understanding of what the question was.
The question arises - are we able to solve the problem or refuse to solve it? As a result, there is a comparison of information with memory - directed attention, will, awareness, effort, recollection. There is an understanding - we can. We make a choice - we decide to act - there is an intention and action.
There is a comparison of information with memory - focused attention, will, awareness, thinking, effort, recollection. Solutions are being worked out - certain formulas and their combinations are selected. As a result, there is an understanding - which formula or combination is suitable.
Making a decision is an action. A calculation is made - directed attention, will, thinking, awareness, effort.
Let's say the calculations don't converge. A choice cause-and-effect process appears - quit the task or continue. We make a choice - we make a decision. We decide to continue - the will, the effort. There is intention and action.
A calculation is made - directed attention, will, thinking, awareness, effort. Next, the calculation is checked - thinking, awareness, effort.
If everything converges, it is necessary to make a decision - write down the results and hand over the solution of the problem to the manager or not to hand it over. A decision is made - a task is given - awareness, effort, action.
This is how, as far as I understand, conditioned phenomena occur and this is how a person acts in the conditioned world. It turns out that "self" in this process can be released, it is not needed. But the process does not happen automatically either, you need "awareness", "involvement" and "action", in general, the participation of consciousness.
That is, a person after releasing the "self" is not deprived of the opportunity to think, act and work (I had a feeling that without "self" a person cannot think, decide and work, becomes weak-willed and uncontrollable). He has all the possibilities. And he has a choice, but limited. He can make decisions and be responsible.
Did I understand the teachings correctly at the initial level? For now, this is enough for me to work calmly and form correct views.