greed is kamma?

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greed is kamma?

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greed gives rise to deed(kamma)
https://suttacentral.net/an6.39/en/sujato?layout=sidebyside&reference=none&notes=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin wrote:Greed, hate, and delusion are sources that give rise to deeds.
Lobho nidānaṁ kammānaṁ samudayāya, doso nidānaṁ kammānaṁ samudayāya, moho nidānaṁ kammānaṁ samudayāya.
greed gives rise to greed
https://suttacentral.net/an6.39/en/sujato?layout=sidebyside&reference=none&notes=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin wrote: Greed doesn’t give rise to contentment.
Na, bhikkhave, lobhā alobho samudeti;
Rather, greed just gives rise to greed.
atha kho, bhikkhave, lobhā lobhova samudeti.
hmm,
https://suttacentral.net/an6.39/en/sujato?layout=sidebyside&reference=none&notes=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin wrote:Rather, it’s because of deeds born of greed, hate, and delusion that hell, the animal realm, the ghost realm, or any other bad places are found.
hmm,
https://suttacentral.net/an3.34/en/sujato?layout=sidebyside&reference=none&notes=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin wrote:Any deed that emerges from greed—born, sourced, and originated from greed—ripens where that new life-form is born.
could this also be the 3 types of rebirth: transmigration, rebirth in rebirth and abode of rebirth
Transmigration,
https://suttacentral.net/mn12/en/sujato?layout=sidebyside&reference=none&notes=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin wrote:But it’s not easy to find a realm that I haven’t previously transmigrated to in all this long time, except for the gods of the pure abodes.
Na kho pana so, sāriputta, saṁsāro sulabharūpo yo mayā asaṁsaritapubbo iminā dīghena addhunā, aññatra suddhāvāsehi devehi.
rebirth, reborn in,
wrote:But it’s not easy to find any rebirth that I haven’t previously been reborn in …
Na kho pana sā, sāriputta, upapatti sulabharūpā yā mayā anupapannapubbā iminā dīghena addhunā, aññatra suddhāvāsehi devehi.
abode of rebirth
wrote:But it’s not easy to find an abode where I haven’t previously abided …
Na kho pana so, sāriputta, āvāso sulabharūpo yo mayā anāvuṭṭhapubbo iminā dīghena addhunā, aññatra suddhāvāsehi devehi.
greed, greed gives rise to greed, abode of greed.
greed, greed gives rise to kamma, kamma result
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auto wrote:greed gives rise to deed(kamma)
From AN 6.39, there're a total of 6 causes for the origination of kamma:
1. Greed 2. Hatred 3. Delusion 4. Non-greed 5. Non-hatred 6. Non-delusion

The reason the first three causes were grouped together into the first batch is to emphasize their shared outcomes: bad destinations (ie hell, animal realm, afflicted spirits,...); similarly for the next three causes (the second batch) which will result in good destinations (devas, humans,...). The remaining of the sutta is fairly common-sense, greed will only beget more greed, not more non-greed; similarly for hatred, and delusion. And vice versa, non-greed will only beget more non-greed, not more greed; similarly for non-hatred, and non-delusion.

Regarding, MN 12, Ven. Bodhi's version is a lot more straightforward than Sujato's. I'd recommend sticking w/ either Bodhi's or Thanissaro's and stay away from Sujato's as much as possible.
MN 12 wrote:Sāriputta, there are certain recluses and brahmins whose doctrine and view is this: ‘Purification comes about through the round of rebirths.’...
‘Purification comes about through some particular kind of rebirth.’...
‘Purification comes about through some particular abode.’
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greed, hatred.. = transmigration/samsara
santa100 wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:13 pm
auto wrote:greed gives rise to deed(kamma)
From AN 6.39, there're a total of 6 causes for the origination of kamma:
1. Greed 2. Hatred 3. Delusion 4. Non-greed 5. Non-hatred 6. Non-delusion
They give rise to kamma = attabhava = rebirth.
The kamma results in rebirth abode where the attabhava itself is reborn in. This abode rebirth won't happen in cases of 4,5,6.

One sentence has these three: transmigration, rebirth and rebirth abode
https://suttacentral.net/an3.34/en/sujato?layout=sidebyside&reference=none&notes=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin wrote:Any deed that emerges from greed—born, sourced, and originated from greed—ripens where that new life-form is born.
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If kamma is the intention, then greed is the cause of intention.

Wealth, fame, power, success, pleasure ...
https://www.inspiringquotes.us/topic/56 ... -happiness
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.
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pegembara wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:06 am If kamma is the intention, then greed is the cause of intention.

Wealth, fame, power, success, pleasure ...
https://www.inspiringquotes.us/topic/56 ... -happiness
yes
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Is the desire to attain Nirvana also greed?
money is worthless toilet paper • the tongue has no bone (a person might say one thing but it cannot be further from the truth) • you cannot teach a goat math as in you cannot teach the dhamma to a dumb person
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No, tanha is thirst for 5 cords of sensual pleasure. Wanting to realize nibbana is Chanda wholesome desire.
Take care of mindfulness and mindfulness will take care of you.
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wenjaforever wrote: Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:01 am Is the desire to attain Nirvana also greed?
No. See the Park Simile
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Types of kamma:. Good, Bad

Roots of bad karma:
Lobha: Greed
Dwesha: Hatred
Moha: Ignorance of four noble
truths/wrong views of dhamma

Roots of good kamma:
Alobha: Non Greed
Adwesha: Non Hatred
Amoha: Knowledge on four noble truths.

So greed alone is not kamma.

eg:- If you give consent to remove the life support of your parent, once the parent dies, that is an anantharika kamma. But there was no greed involved in making that decision. Only ignorance.
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