Pali Term: Nirodha

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Dmytro wrote:hardly anyone really understands the ancient texts
Oh?

Well, off topic actually... unless of course, this is a claim that these posts of yours are among the allegedly über-rare cases of 'correct', in which case that would be somewhat germane to explore...
  • "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.

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I'm not going to reply to personal remarks in the Pali terms threads.
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rowyourboat wrote:Nir = Non
Udaya = arising

..as opposed to 'udaya-vaya' = arising-ceasing.

Everything arises and passes away (ceases), but non-arising is something special.

With metta
I also like to translate nirodha as non-arising, or perhaps more accurately "non-rearising".
yam kiñci samudayadhammam sabbam tam nirodhadhammam
Whatever is of coarising-nature is all of non-rearising-nature. In other words, whatever coarises all passes away to never arise again. :thinking:
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piotr wrote:
  • [1] 'Paṭisankhā-nirodha—deliberate cessation' and 'appaṭisankhānirodha—undeliberate cessation': neither compound is in PED and latter not in CPD (Vol. 1); see Kv. 226 and Kv. trsln. ('Points of Controversy') 137, note; also Miln. (cf. also Pe 151, line 15 nirodhasaṃpatti(m) appaṭisankhāya). NettiA says 'Paṭisankhānirodha is cessation due to deliberating (patisankhāya), due to keeping in being opposition (to arising—paṭipakkhabhāvanāya); or when opposition has not occurred in that way, it is the non-arising of what is ready to arise, owing to opposition to its arising being already in existence. Appaṭisankhānirodha is the cessation of determined ideas along with their individual natures: what is meant is cessation from moment to moment' (p. 109). That these two terms should be present here and absent from the Pe is noteworthy. The second, according to NettiA, means the cessation incessantly taking place in the process of impermanence. Cf. KvA (Burm. ed., p. 140) and KvAA (Burm. ed., p. 56). There seems no reason for supposing that the later independent Sanskrit Mahāyāna development of these terms is in any way implied here (for which see, e.g., O. Rosenberg, Die Probleme der Buddhistischen Philosophie, Heidelberg, 1924, p. 128; E. Obermiller, The Doctrine of Prajñāpāramitā, Leningrad, 1932; and E. Lamotte, Histoire du Bouddhisme Indien, Louvain, 1958, p. 675).
Pratisaṃkhyānirodha and apratisaṃkhyānirodha are given in both the Dharmaskandha-śāstra and the Prakaraṇapāda-śāstra of the Sarvāstivāda Abhidharmapiṭaka, and therefore predate any Sanskrit Mahāyāna development by a number of centuries.

The textual history of the Nettipakaraṇa is a matter of speculation, but it and the Peṭakopadesa may have been composed or influenced by exegetical traditions other than those who composed and redacted the texts in the Pāli Abhidhammapiṭaka as we now have them.
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Zom wrote: Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:14 pm Cessation is its meaning.

SN 22.21:

Then the Venerable Ananda approached the Blessed One, paid homage to him, sat down to one side, and said to him:
“Venerable sir, it is said, ‘cessation, cessation (nirodha).’ Through the cessation of what things is cessation spoken of?”

Rūpaṃ kho, ānanda, aniccaṃ saṅkhataṃ paṭiccasamuppannaṃ khayadhammaṃ vayadhammaṃ virāgadhammaṃ nirodhadhammaṃ.

“Form, Ananda, is impermanent, conditioned, dependently arisen, subject to destruction, to vanishing, to fading away, to cessation.
Through its cessation, cessation is spoken of.

“Feeling is impermanent … Perception is impermanent … Volitional constructions are impermanent … … Consciousness is impermanent, conditioned, dependently arisen, subject to destruction, to vanishing, to fading away, to cessation. Through its cessation, cessation is spoken of.

“It is through the cessation of these things, Ananda, that cessation is spoken of.”
The above is not literally clear to me. Possibly, the "khayadhammaṃ vayadhammaṃ virāgadhammaṃ nirodhadhammaṃ" applies to "form" that is "paṭiccasamuppannaṃ" ("dependently originated") by ignorance. Therefore, possibly SN 22.21 saying "nirodho" is the cessation of "dependent origination".

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i like all variations herein:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fulfill



1
a
: to put into effect : EXECUTE
He fulfilled his pledge to cut taxes.
Excution of an irreversible process, leading to complete liberation (at the moment of stream entry)



b
: to meet the requirements of (a business order)
Their order for more TVs was promptly fulfilled.
to meet the requirements for "full liberation"



c
: to measure up to : SATISFY
She hasn't yet fulfilled the requirements needed to graduate.
Satisfy the requirements needed for liberation



d
: to bring to an end
she came to install herself and fulfill her time at the house
— Willa Cather
to bring to an end "of phenomenal realm"



2
a
: to develop the full potentialities of
He has a lot of talent, but he hasn't really fulfilled his potential.
full potentialities have been developed at Nirodha



b
: to convert into reality
a sense of the failure of life to fulfill its ultimate expectations
— Leslie Rees
Realization of the fourth reality of "yes, noumenal realm, that is", kind of.



3
archaic : to make full : FILL
her subtle, warm, and golden breath … fulfills him with beatitude
— Alfred Tennyson
Opposite of "emptiness", in some sense
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Re: Pali Term: Nirodha

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Cafael Dust wrote: Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:31 pm I got interested in the etymology of the word
It originates from the verb "nirundhati", which comes from "ni" plus "rundhati".

https://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/app/p ... type=exact
https://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/app/p ... type=exact

The original root here is "rudh":
https://books.google.com.ua/books?id=UX ... &lpg=PA623
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