Basically, when you ask this question, you are distrusting what we have and then you are on the quest for Buddhavajana

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Basically, when you ask this question, you are distrusting what we have and then you are on the quest for Buddhavajana

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Question wrote:Is any existing modern tradition of Buddhism in line with “original” buddhism as defined by the suttas and commentaries? Im pretty sure most all of them deviate in one way or the other. Its more just that some deviate more than others.
Answer wrote:Basically, when you ask this question, you are distrusting what we have and then you are on the quest for Buddhavajana (Ajahn Kukrit), EBT Ajahn Sujato, ven Ariyadhammika, ven Analayo, etc.
suttacentral and dhammawheel are better groups for this quest.

There is not such thing as modern group… because it is seeking to find only the oldest which is impossible to know and just makes one roam in the doubt realms.

Classical Theravada does not concern itself with these fringe groups.
https://classicaltheravada.org/t/modern ... ana/342/20

Yes, there is no such thing as modern group… other than the ones just make one roam in the doubt realms.
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Re: Basically, when you ask this question, you are distrusting what we have and then you are on the quest for Buddhavaja

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Greetings,

Why are you recreating topics from other forums here? For what purpose?

You have no topic question, so this isn't really a discussion topic. It's just saying stuff... that would be better suited to a blog.

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Paul. :)
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"Why now do you assume 'a being'? Mara, have you grasped a view?" (SN 5.10)

"Overcome the liar by truth." (Dhp 223)
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Ok, let me specify the questions,

Will a quest for Original Buddhavajana by an ordinary man be easily successful?
What would his faith be during this quest?
Isn't faith a necessary quality for learning Dhamma along with wisdom?
Aren't there phenomena that lead to increase doubts if one associate them for a long time?
What is the base (acceptable reasons) for distrusting what we have?
Which way does satisfy the criteria for recognizing Dhamma preached to Gotami?
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Eko Care wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:48 pm Ok, let me specify the questions,
You are asking the above with the title of this thread, so I assume you are questioning why or how could anyone question the exact words of the Tipitaka and Commentaries, why can't they just have faith?

How is that different from the fundamentalist Christian who says:
fundamentalist Christian wrote:It's in the Bible, God said it, I believe it, That settles it, Case closed!
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DNS wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:34 pm How is that different from the fundamentalist Christian who says:
fundamentalist Christian wrote:It's in the Bible, God said it, I believe it, That settles it, Case closed!
The Buddha said one needs to have both faith and wisdom factors.

Fundamentalist Christian has only the faith factor. (blind)
This is an extreme.

On the other hand:

If one is on a quest, he has only the wisdom factor. (if available)
'Quest' means no confidence in any kind of 'set of fundamentals'. In order to have (any kind of) faith, one needs to have a stable ground.
This is the other extreme.
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