"A burden indeed are the five aggregates, and the carrier of the burden is the person."

[Cause_and_Effect]

What is the meaning of this sutta verse? It seems to indicate the person is separate from the aggregates.

"A burden indeed
are the five aggregates,
and the carrier of the burden
is the person.
Taking up the burden in the world
is stressful.
Casting off the burden
is bliss.
Having cast off the heavy burden
and not taking on another,
pulling up craving,
along with its root,
one is free from hunger,
totally unbound."

https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN22_22.html

Is the person liberated thus from the re-becoming of the 5 aggregates?

[confusedlayman]

What is the meaning of this sutta verse? It seems to indicate the person is separate from the aggregates.

"A burden indeed
are the five aggregates,
and the carrier of the burden
is the person.
Taking up the burden in the world
is stressful.
Casting off the burden
is bliss.
Having cast off the heavy burden
and not taking on another,
pulling up craving,
along with its root,
one is free from hunger,
totally unbound."

https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN22_22.html

Is the person liberated thus from the re-becoming of the 5 aggregates?

there is only agreegates suffering from agreregates...

[auto]

True, there is person who is separate from the khandhas.

Another sutta says,

“Sir, form doesn’t belong to self; I should give up desire for it.
“Rūpaṁ kho, bhante, anattaniyaṁ; tatra me chando pahātabbo.

The very least, khandhas are not the self. And it says I should give up desire for khandhas. Suggesting khandhas are something obtainable.

[auto]

there is only agreegates suffering from agreregates...

What you say is interpretation.
Whereas the sutta says puggala/person.

[confusedlayman]

there is only agreegates suffering from agreregates...

What you say is interpretation.
Whereas the sutta says puggala/person.

person is illusional perception of thought. conventionally its ok to say but it is a thought after all.

[auto]

there is only agreegates suffering from agreregates...

What you say is interpretation.
Whereas the sutta says puggala/person.

person is illusional perception of thought. conventionally its ok to say but it is a thought after all.

Sutta says 'this person has'

“‘This person has six elements, six fields of contact, eighteen mental preoccupations, and four foundations.
“‘Cha dhāturo ayaṁ, bhikkhu, puriso cha phassāyatano aṭṭhārasa manopavicāro caturādhiṭṭhāno;

according to your interpretation it is the six elements has six elements, six fields of contact has six fields of contact.

[auto]

person is illusional perception of thought. conventionally its ok to say but it is a thought after all.

You can have thoughts about persons. But we can here assume insanity, do you think that the person what you think of is not existing in someplace?

[Ceisiwr]

What is the meaning of this sutta verse? It seems to indicate the person is separate from the aggregates.

"A burden indeed
are the five aggregates,
and the carrier of the burden
is the person.
Taking up the burden in the world
is stressful.
Casting off the burden
is bliss.
Having cast off the heavy burden
and not taking on another,
pulling up craving,
along with its root,
one is free from hunger,
totally unbound."

https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN22_22.html

Is the person liberated thus from the re-becoming of the 5 aggregates?

How you interpret this passage will determine if you are a Neo-Pudgalavādin or not.

[SDC]

It seems the person is the result of the aggregates, but since there is no evidence of that direction (or order), the person stands as the reason for aggregates (or as that which bears them). In fact, all the evidence points in the other direction: to a person that gathers and consumes, that feels feelings, but what’s fascinating is that “the person” is in the same field as those things in the world, because it is a thing in the world. Not having broken up that wrong order, the experience endures through it, which is impossible, but nevertheless that is how it is.

(Yet another reason virtue has to come first. If you’re going around gathering up sense pleasures with absolutely no perspective, it is impossible to stop that order from enduring.)

[Sam Vara]

I think it means that if you pick the aggregates up, you will find that you have become a person.

Carrying some very heavy aggregates.

[SDC]

I think it means that if you pick the aggregates up, you will find that you have become a person.

Carrying some very heavy aggregates.

What’s even more intense is finding no evidence of an initial “picking up”, just that of a person immersed in the burden already.

[justpractice]

I really like this Sutta.

What’s even more intense is finding no evidence of an initial “picking up”, just that of a person immersed in the burden already.

Very intense indeed!

To add some dismay to the intensity, a person can very easily comprehend this on a theoretical level while simultaneously carrying - and even increasing - the weight of the burden. In fact, I see undoing this contradiction as the crux of the practice: aligning one's behavior with this theoretical knowledge until that knowledge can take root and actually protect one's behavior from further accumulation. As you already mentioned, this is why virtue must come first.

On one level, every person - even the most wild and unrestrained person - is acting under the weight of the burden. It's just that the unrestrained person, immersed in sensual gratification, has unknowingly nurtured the disastrous view that any burden is secondary - an anomaly even - to the endless availability of pleasure. This would be the fulfillment of the perversion, which the restrained person is giving himself a chance to undo through his restraint. Within that space of restraint, the burden should make itself (quite uncomfortably) known, at which point the strength developed on account of that initial restraint will be put to the test and hopefully strong enough to allow further endurance and development in regards to the weight he is carrying. This is how the contradiction can eventually be "cast off" and the craving uprooted. The person can then be understood.

[equilibrium]

What is the meaning of this sutta verse? It seems to indicate the person is separate from the aggregates.

"A burden indeed
are the five aggregates,
and the carrier of the burden
is the person.
Taking up the burden in the world
is stressful.
Casting off the burden
is bliss.
Having cast off the heavy burden
and not taking on another,
pulling up craving,
along with its root,
one is free from hunger,
totally unbound."

https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN22_22.html

Is the person liberated thus from the re-becoming of the 5 aggregates?

“5 aggregates” are what you have created.
“Person” is merely a label/ identification….l-am.
5 aggregates can be cast off…resulting “bliss” (nibbana) and “not taking another” means escaping suffering (birth & death).
“Unbound” is where one is no longer conditioned by it…..freed.

It is not that the “person is separate from the aggregates” or “person liberated” because the aggregates makes up the person, merely labels and the the conceit I-am…..rather

The most important word here is “unbound” because THAT which is unbound has escaped samsara and will no more be conditioned under existence (birth & death).

[Ceisiwr]

“5 aggregates” are what you have created.
“Person” is merely a label/ identification….l-am.
5 aggregates can be cast off…resulting “bliss” (nibbana) and “not taking another” means escaping suffering (birth & death).
“Unbound” is where one is no longer conditioned by it…..freed.

It is not that the “person is separate from the aggregates” or “person liberated” because the aggregates makes up the person, merely labels and the the conceit I-am…..rather

The most important word here is “unbound” because THAT which is unbound has escaped samsara and will no more be conditioned under existence (birth & death).

तत्त्वमसि (Tat Tvam Asi)

Not something the Buddha would have recommended.

[Bundokji]

What is the meaning of this sutta verse? It seems to indicate the person is separate from the aggregates.

It also explains how a person is separate from the aggregates:

This venerable one with such a name, such a clan-name: This is called the carrier of the burden.

Is the person liberated thus from the re-becoming of the 5 aggregates?

The sutta does not refer to a person when discussing liberation, but to the casting off of craving.