auto wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:42 pm
haddaya, ceto.
Sutta what mentions fetter in the heart,
fetter = samyojana
cetaso => related to citta or mind in general. When you reduce the Citta components (Vedana and Sanna), then there will be no desire for anything at all. The mind will become still, clear, pure. The mind will become still + unified then it will not move to the past, present and future. It just stays as an experience.
This is where the power of jhana can be verified.
Also, You need to use other sutta to verify all. Eventually the whole DO will collapse once you have the wisdom. When there is no desire, the fetters will be broken. Then no deeds on any realms.
Auto wrote:dhamma being object of the fetter,
There are only 10 fetters. I don't see dhamma as fetter unless you are talking about the Avijja (last fetter). At least the target for a householder is a Non Returner. Just make sure the 5 low fetters are broken. And weaken the five high fetters or even broke some of them.
https://suttacentral.net/vb16/en/thittila?reference=none&highlight=false wrote:The five types of sense consciousness
are objects of the defilements; are objects of the fetters; are objects of the ties; are objects of the floods; are objects of the bonds; are objects of the hindrances; are objects of the perversions; are objects of the attachments; are objects of the corruptions; are neither-good-nor-bad; have objects; are not mental concomitants; are resultants; are grasped (by craving and false view), are objects of the attachments; are not corrupt, are objects of the corruptions;
When you have brought the Sati from 5 senses to inside. The mind will remain inside. None of the 5 senses object/consciousness can disturb the tranquil/pure/clear/still mind. The mind will know it is freed from 5 senses.
As Sariputta said in SN 47.12 and there is another Sutta.
SN 47.12 wrote:Suppose there was a king’s frontier citadel with fortified embankments, ramparts, and arches, and a single gate. And it has a gatekeeper who is astute, competent, and intelligent. He keeps strangers out and lets known people in. As he walks around the patrol path, he doesn’t see a hole or cleft in the wall, not even one big enough for a cat to slip out. He thinks, ‘Whatever sizable creatures enter or leave the citadel, all of them do so via this gate.’
Auto wrote:what sense consciousness is, can read in mn28, it is sakkaya(clinging aggergates)
I have explained above the sati+wisdom will be there to keep out. The mind will remain still and not engage into the 5 senses or even the mind movement. The whole 5 aggregates become muted due to there is not upadana.
When you are in Jhana: form is just a form/sight, feeling will be reduced on Rupa Jhana --> then feeling is just feeling, Sanna will be reduced (in ayatana) --> then sanna is just sanna, Sankhara also being reduced (perfectly only for an arahant), consciousness will be reduced and ceased on the 8th and sannavedayitanirodha.
Auto wrote:
I practice. You should ask or tell directly what you want to know..
Good.
Auto wrote:
curious, how do you verify 24/7 samadhi with the suttas?
There are many parts of Sutta mentioned it. Some of it:
1. Buddha always suggested practice jhana so one doesn't regret it. He meant that if one achieved unification of mind, then one doesn't have to suffer in Sensual Realm or even human realm anymore. Much has been done to end of suffering.
2. Also on Jhana formula, the 3rd jhana say:
.. personally experiencing the bliss of which the noble ones declare, ‘Equanimous and mindful, one dwells (viharati) in bliss.’
This can only means all ariya maintain 3rd jhana in Daily life. 4th jhana will be difficult to maintain in daily life because one needs to perfectly still mind and body.
3. Power of jhana because of developed faculties such as dispassion/cease toward eating lot of food, money, job, family, sex, etc.
4. many more.
That's how I understood.
