ayoniso manasikara

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Does Dependent Origination illustrate the mechanics of, or the flow of ayoniso manasikara?
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One of the more specialised formulations of it does – that of the Avijjāsutta.
Bhikkhus, this is said: ‘A first point of ignorance, bhikkhus, is not seen such that before this there was no ignorance and afterward it came into being.’ Still, ignorance is seen to have a specific condition.

I say, bhikkhus, that ignorance has a nutriment; it is not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for ignorance? It should be said: the five hindrances.

The five hindrances, too, I say, have a nutriment; they are not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for the five hindrances? It should be said: the three kinds of misconduct.

The three kinds of misconduct, too, I say, have a nutriment; they are not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for the three kinds of misconduct? It should be said: non-restraint of the sense faculties.

Non-restraint of the sense faculties, too, I say, has a nutriment; it is not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for non-restraint of the sense faculties? It should be said: lack of mindfulness and clear comprehension.

Lack of mindfulness and clear comprehension, too, I say, has a nutriment; it is not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for lack of mindfulness and clear comprehension? It should be said: careless attention.

Careless attention, too, I say, has a nutriment; it is not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for careless attention? It should be said: lack of faith.

Lack of faith, too, I say, has a nutriment; it is not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for lack of faith? It should be said: not hearing the good Dhamma.

Not hearing the good Dhamma, too, I say, has a nutriment; it is not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for not hearing the good Dhamma? It should be said: not associating with good persons.

https://suttacentral.net/an10.61/en/bodhi
Also the related Tayodhamma Sutta.

https://suttacentral.net/an10.76/en/sujato
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Thank you
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Is it more accurate to say that ayoniso manasikara generates or activates dependent origination?
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Misty wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:05 pm Is it more accurate to say that ayoniso manasikara generates or activates dependent origination?
Not "generate" but certainly helps perpetuating the continuing of the 12 DO links.
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Thank you
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Perhaps I’m looking for another term.

I was listening to venerable Bhikkhu Bodhi talking and what I understood was, when we attend to an object wisely (yoniso manasikara) we are able to explore, examine, reflect and consider things in a way that is not detached from the fundamental origin of things and this enables us to attend to our experience thoroughly, carefully, accurately and then unarisen taints do not arise and arisen taints are abandoned and this leads to the positive development of the mind.

I then incorrectly thought ayoniso manasikara was a detachment from the fundamental origin of things that generates suffering.

Is there a term used to describe the movement of consciousness detaching from the fundamental origin of things?

Does detaching here mean a kind of forgetting of or the development of a blind spot?

My apologies, I’m finding this hard to navigate
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Misty wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:50 pm Is there a term used to describe the movement of consciousness detaching from the fundamental origin of things?
Maybe Papanca...
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Mumfie wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:25 am One of the more specialised formulations of it does – that of the Avijjāsutta.
Bhikkhus, this is said: ‘A first point of ignorance, bhikkhus, is not seen such that before this there was no ignorance and afterward it came into being.’ Still, ignorance is seen to have a specific condition.

I say, bhikkhus, that ignorance has a nutriment; it is not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for ignorance? It should be said: the five hindrances.

The five hindrances, too, I say, have a nutriment; they are not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for the five hindrances? It should be said: the three kinds of misconduct.

The three kinds of misconduct, too, I say, have a nutriment; they are not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for the three kinds of misconduct? It should be said: non-restraint of the sense faculties.

Non-restraint of the sense faculties, too, I say, has a nutriment; it is not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for non-restraint of the sense faculties? It should be said: lack of mindfulness and clear comprehension.

Lack of mindfulness and clear comprehension, too, I say, has a nutriment; it is not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for lack of mindfulness and clear comprehension? It should be said: careless attention.

Careless attention, too, I say, has a nutriment; it is not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for careless attention? It should be said: lack of faith.

Lack of faith, too, I say, has a nutriment; it is not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for lack of faith? It should be said: not hearing the good Dhamma.

Not hearing the good Dhamma, too, I say, has a nutriment; it is not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for not hearing the good Dhamma? It should be said: not associating with good persons.

https://suttacentral.net/an10.61/en/bodhi
Also the related Tayodhamma Sutta.

https://suttacentral.net/an10.76/en/sujato
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Thank you, that's a good posting
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