So you saying you're superior to me because you don't judge people around and not humiliate them in front of everyone? Thank you I think I just got enlightened by your wisdom.
No I was referring to bhadiya kaligodha.
So you saying you're superior to me because you don't judge people around and not humiliate them in front of everyone? Thank you I think I just got enlightened by your wisdom.
Right on time, I knew that train was coming.wenjaforever wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 11:24 pmSo you saying you're superior to me because you don't judge people around and not humiliate them in front of everyone? Thank you I think I just got enlightened by your wisdom.
Yeah it's astounding how people always compare to the Buddha himself. It's like a billion miles away. Do people know how rare a Buddha is? There are even entire kalpas without the presence of a single Buddha called Sunna kalpa.DNS wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 11:28 pmRight on time, I knew that train was coming.
It's called the Paradox of intolerance where it is noted it is best to be intolerant of the intolerant, otherwise intolerance wins.
And no, I never mentioned anything about being superior to you. I don't even know you.
Why do you think Theravada abhidhamma means sense are off in jhana? whatever the state is, it is the sense organ object what prompts it, it is the reason the life-continuum is arrested. In case of jhana it is upacara nimitta what arrests the life-continuum.
meaning(wisdom) of the image is 'giving up'. Giving up akusala dhamma.vimuttimagga pdf142 wrote:What is the meaning of sign?
The meaning of (conditioning) cause is the meaning of sign. It is even
as the Buddha taught the bhikkhus: [414] "All evil demeritorious states occur
depending on a sign".1 This is the meaning of conditioning cause. And
again, it is said that the meaning of wisdom is the meaning of the sign. The
Buddha has declared: "With trained perception one should forsake".2 This
is called wisdom. And again, it is said that the meaning of image is the meaning
of the sign. It is like the thought a man has on seeing the reflection of his
own face and image. The after-image is obvious.
i see you tell it is not sense off,https://suttacentral.net/mn43/en/sujato?layout=sidebyside&reference=none¬es=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin wrote:“What is the purpose of wisdom?”
“Paññā panāvuso, kimatthiyā”ti?
“The purpose of wisdom is direct knowledge, complete understanding, and giving up.”
“Paññā kho, āvuso, abhiññatthā pariññatthā pahānatthā”ti.
To me its funny that you, frankk claim there are sense off in arupa concentration. Sound like a compromise.
Not only those, but also there are two types of Suttas called Sappadesa and Nippadesa.analysis wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 5:24 pm It is mentioned that there are two types of words in the Suttas.
Nita attha and Neyya Attha.
In nitattha, what the word says is the meaning of it.
But in neyyattha, the meaning of the word is to be derived.
So I guess the neyyatthas are differently interpreted in EBT movement than Classical.
Eko Care wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:15 am This is from the thread: Heretic teaching of Ajahn Sumedho
During a discussion about the unorthox views of Thai Forest Tradition, I noticed the following behavior of Sutta/EBT/Attanomati-vadins:
How can being in an unorthodox position, one use the orthodox position to invalidate another unorthodox position.SarathW wrote:Thank you, David. I did not expect such overwhelming support for my topic.DNS wrote: The Ajahn refers to a "permanent consciousness" which certainly is unorthodox, contrary to the Classical Theravada. Typically such unorthodox views refer to a permanent citta, since citta is not listed as one of the aggregates (Ajahns Boowa and Mun and perhaps some others).
However, consciousness is listed as one of the aggregates (viññāna) and the idea of it being permanent is refuted in MN 38 Sati, the fisherman's son.
https://suttacentral.net/mn38/en/sujato
Around the mid point of the video he refers to a universal consciousness, also at odds with the Classical view.
It may even be a more extreme view than the Pudgalavada school, since the Pudgalavada refers to something of an impermanent self, not a permanent one.So his subconscious knows that orthodox Theravada is the true one.DNS wrote: The Ajahn refers to a "permanent consciousness" which certainly is unorthodox, contrary to the Classical Theravada.Ok, it is a more extreme view >>but>> with reference to which position?DNS wrote: It may even be a more extreme view than the Pudgalavada school, since the Pudgalavada refers to something of an impermanent self, not a permanent one.
How can being in an unorthodox position, one use the orthodox position to invalidate another unorthodox position?
This is an evidence for the fact that "EBT-people don't have a base."
It's not yet an invalidation, nor a refutation yet. It's merely a description.
then that would be an invalidation, and what you say applied. Unless that last clause ("and therefore, x is wrong") is added, we can't just assume that it's there.The Ajahn refers to a "permanent consciousness" which certainly is unorthodox, contrary to the Classical Theravada, and therefore, the ajahn is wrong.
It's about the assumptions people take for granted, without ever clarifying whether those assumptions are warranted or not. It's very common, sadly ironic for a Buddhist forum.