Does it trouble you?
No.... it’s not even close to my final word on this.
Do you feel the shift Sam?
You are not safe, keep that topic locked finger of yours warm.
Does it trouble you?
I suppose it is a bit troubling why someone should post the same stuff, month after month, asking questions that nobody here could possibly answer. It never seems to do any good, because nothing has changed. It's a bit redolent of the story of Kisagotami carrying her dead child around with her, asking if anyone knew how to revive it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_stages_of_grief
Then a new tactic is in order: Let's all stop trying to answer questions we can't answer.asking questions that nobody here could possibly answer
The important "problem" with this model is that there is zero evidence that it maps reality. Kubler-Ross dreamed up the five stages, without ever undertaking research into what was going on. And was at pains to point out that the stages could be reversed, swapped around, missed out, etc. if the model didn't seem to fit. So I'll stick with Kisagotami.Radix wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:39 pmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_stages_of_grief
While there are some important problems with this model, it can still be useful to look at someone's response to a critical situation in the context of said model (and its variations). Anger and bargaining seem to be going on right now.
After you! Show us how it's done. I have to lag behind a bit due to my moderator's role, but if you've spotted the real issue, then that should be resolved in short order.The real issue is, though, that some posters derive pleasure from engaging this poster, from ridiculing him or from trying to control him. Is anyone willing to forego this pleasure?
Finally Radix, you hit the nail on the head.Radix wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:39 pmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_stages_of_grief
While there are some important problems with this model, it can still be useful to look at someone's response to a critical situation in the context of said model (and its variations). Anger and bargaining seem to be going on right now.
To the point, the way other people respond to someone might be significantly impacting the way that person is processing the situation. In short, others might be making it worse. Forcing acceptance onto that person can make them resist it even more.
Then a new tactic is in order: Let's all stop trying to answer questions we can't answer.asking questions that nobody here could possibly answer
The real issue is, though, that some posters derive pleasure from engaging this poster, from ridiculing him or from trying to control him. Is anyone willing to forego this pleasure?
The Dhamma is offered for free. It excludes no one capable of receiving it. Attachment to a teacher, a way of teaching, a teaching center, the way things were, is not the Dhamma. This is attachment. This is clinging. This leads to suffering. Warm the heart, not the head or fingers.thepea wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:19 pm The dhamma MUST be offered for free. It cannot exclude anyone. If it does it ceases to be dhamma.
Right up till Covid I was part of this community, I had been offered a full time position at the centre as lead maintenance but I could not accept this. There was. O issues as far as I could tell with anyone. Only when I began questioning the direction the centre was going with political Covid did I get any backlash from staff. They refused to discuss or answer my question. Instead they chose to stop communication with me completely.
Which is most likely why Goenka did not pass the torch, and why this organization is not teaching dhamma anymore. Now they are the Vipassana religion.
Would you give up your home to thieves because they asked you to?Dhammapardon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:42 pmThe Dhamma is offered for free. It excludes no one capable of receiving it. Attachment to a teacher, a way of teaching, a teaching center, the way things were, is not the Dhamma. This is attachment. This is clinging. This leads to suffering. Warm the heart, not the head or fingers.thepea wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:19 pm The dhamma MUST be offered for free. It cannot exclude anyone. If it does it ceases to be dhamma.
Right up till Covid I was part of this community, I had been offered a full time position at the centre as lead maintenance but I could not accept this. There was. O issues as far as I could tell with anyone. Only when I began questioning the direction the centre was going with political Covid did I get any backlash from staff. They refused to discuss or answer my question. Instead they chose to stop communication with me completely.
Which is most likely why Goenka did not pass the torch, and why this organization is not teaching dhamma anymore. Now they are the Vipassana religion.
I'm sorry the center you enjoyed and were a part of for so long has changed into something no longer recognizable to you. May you find another sanctuary with good people soon.
I don't know until it happens to me. What I do know is I want to end my own suffering and to do that I have to let go of what causes it. I don't know what you should do. You know better than me. I do wish you find peace in what path you decide to take.thepea wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:03 am Would you give up your home to thieves because they asked you to?
Oh no, this one is a battle to the death. This one is principal and if it takes a few lifetimes, so be it.
This new normal is a HARD NO, I will NEVER accept this. They will be masked until my last breath, and if they ever drop the mandates I’ll be in there to dismantle it from the inside. I’m watching them and contacting them and will continue to for as long as required. They will have no peace.
There is peace. This is strong determination. As long as it takes I am committed to whatever it takes to end this. If it takes a few lifetimes, so be it. I CANNOT ACCEPT THIS NEW NORMAL and I will hold them hostage to their mandates because they know the moment they open the door I will be there and I will dismantle it from the inside.Dhammapardon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:13 amI don't know until it happens to me. What I do know is I want to end my own suffering and to do that I have to let go of what causes it. I don't know what you should do. You know better than me. I do wish you find peace in what path you decide to take.thepea wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:03 am Would you give up your home to thieves because they asked you to?
Oh no, this one is a battle to the death. This one is principal and if it takes a few lifetimes, so be it.
This new normal is a HARD NO, I will NEVER accept this. They will be masked until my last breath, and if they ever drop the mandates I’ll be in there to dismantle it from the inside. I’m watching them and contacting them and will continue to for as long as required. They will have no peace.
So you do this and achieve your goal. Then what?thepea wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:22 am There is peace. This is strong determination. As long as it takes I am committed to whatever it takes to end this. If it takes a few lifetimes, so be it. I CANNOT ACCEPT THIS NEW NORMAL and I will hold them hostage to their mandates because they know the moment they open the door I will be there and I will dismantle it from the inside.
This is not anger or lack of peace, this is a dis iplined conscious commitment I made April 2021.
But may I ask who is fighting this battle?
Then my children(the innocent) have a place to reside with opportunity free from trespass to their property.Dhammapardon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:30 amSo you do this and achieve your goal. Then what?thepea wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:22 am There is peace. This is strong determination. As long as it takes I am committed to whatever it takes to end this. If it takes a few lifetimes, so be it. I CANNOT ACCEPT THIS NEW NORMAL and I will hold them hostage to their mandates because they know the moment they open the door I will be there and I will dismantle it from the inside.
This is not anger or lack of peace, this is a dis iplined conscious commitment I made April 2021.
No, I cannot confirm anything from Goenkoists in Canada.Mumfie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:17 amBut may I ask who is fighting this battle?
When I started this thread I was under the impression (though I'm not quite sure why) that though disaffected Canadian Goenkaists were a minority, they nonetheless at least constituted a plurality of persons. Hence my phrase "righteous remnant".
Recent posts by you, however, are giving me the impression that there isn't in fact a righteous remnant; there's just you, and everybody else is quite content with the changes made by the Goenka organization in Canada.
Could you confirm which impression is correct?
Your post does in fact confirm my later impression that yours is a lone battle.