Indonesia bans sex outside marriage in new criminal code

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Cashews wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:56 am The doctrine of the Buddha is relevant to the law of kamma rather than relevant to the law of the land.
Indeed. This is why i think the law of land is more essential to the issue in hand than the law of kamma.

The law of kamma can be used to evaluate the underlying intention/rationale of the law makers behind the new law. For example, is it to prevent or control prostitution in Bali and other areas, or is it to reduce frequent unplanned pregnancies as a result of casual sex, or is it merely moralizing and dogmatic imposition of religious values/beliefs?
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I think it's mostly a symbolic law, to try and encourage certain moral and religious laws (Indonesia is mostly Muslim). It's not like there are cameras in every bedroom throughout the country, so can't really be enforced much.

Practically speaking, the only ways it could be enforced is if a young woman identifies some man as the person who impregnated her and they are both unmarried. Or a landlord denying a rental lease to a young couple who are not married. Some Christian landlords have tried that in America, but later got in trouble for that due to Fair Housing laws (familial status) in the U.S.
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The law also bans black magic, which is essentially a way to fabricate a legal claim against an innocent party, as has always been the case with such laws historically.
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DNS wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:16 pmPractically speaking, the only ways it could be enforced is if a young woman identifies some man as the person who impregnated her and they are both unmarried. Or a landlord denying a rental lease to a young couple who are not married.
Then there is the issue of the legal and socio-economic status of illegitimate children, custody issues, family law issues, inheritance issues.

The state cannot outlaw illegitimate children and the difficulties they face and bring along, but it can try to limit the production of such children.
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It's just a sadistic law from men that can't get any girls.
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