auto wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 3:13 pm
Quote fest but these above support the idea that Bahiya still need further training regards to the internal(ajjhattaṁ),
standard jhana here,
in the bizarre recent effort to jhanitize every teaching taught by the Buddha, the Bahiya Sutta is a typical victim. It is interesting checking how most of people bypass the case of Malunkyaputta, who received exactly the same teaching than Bahiya.
"Then, Malunkyaputta, with regard to phenomena to be seen, heard, sensed, or cognized: In reference to the seen, there will be only the seen. In reference to the heard, only the heard. In reference to the sensed, only the sensed. In reference to the cognized, only the cognized. That is how you should train yourself. When for you there will be only the seen in reference to the seen, only the heard in reference to the heard, only the sensed in reference to the sensed, only the cognized in reference to the cognized, then, Malunkyaputta, there is no you in connection with that. When there is no you in connection with that, there is no you there. When there is no you there, you are neither here nor yonder nor between the two. This, just this, is the end of stress."
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
I have found his absence in many papers analyzing the case of Bahiya, including V.Analayo and Piya Tan. Strange.
The Malunkyaputta Sutta SN 35.95 is an expansion of the Bahiya teaching, and very useful to understand better the Bahiya Sutta. Also because the doubt about the arhanthood by means wisdom is finally clarified:
"Then Ven. Malunkyaputta, having been admonished by the admonishment from the Blessed One, got up from his seat and bowed down to the Blessed One, circled around him, keeping the Blessed One to his right side, and left. Then, dwelling alone, secluded, heedful, ardent, & resolute, he in no long time reached & remained in the supreme goal of the holy life for which clansmen rightly go forth from home into homelessness, knowing & realizing it for himself in the here & now. He knew: "Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for the sake of this world." And thus Ven. Malunkyaputta became another one of the arahants."
maybe sometime you have read discussions and papers investigating what was exactly the practice followed by Bahiya. That's funny or difficult to understand, because in the SN 35.95 it is explained in quite detail:
"I understand in detail, lord, the meaning of what the Blessed One has said in brief:
Seeing a form
— mindfulness lapsed —
attending
to the theme of 'endearing,'
impassioned in mind,
one feels
and remains fastened there.
One's feelings, born of the form,
grow numerous,
Greed & annoyance
injure one's mind.
Thus amassing stress,
one is said to be far from Unbinding.
Hearing a sound...
Smelling an aroma...
Tasting a flavor...
Touching a tactile sensation...
Knowing an idea
— mindfulness lapsed —
attending
to the theme of 'endearing,'
impassioned in mind,
one feels
and remains fastened there.
One's feelings, born of the idea,
grow numerous,
Greed & annoyance
injure one's mind.
Thus amassing stress,
one is said to be far from Unbinding.
Not impassioned with forms
— seeing a form with mindfulness firm —
dispassioned in mind,
one knows
and doesn't remain fastened there.
While one is seeing a form
— and even experiencing feeling —
it falls away and doesn't accumulate.
Thus one fares mindfully.
Thus not amassing stress,
one is said to be
in the presence of Unbinding.
Not impassioned with sounds...
Not impassioned with aromas...
Not impassioned with flavors...
Not impassioned with tactile sensations...
Not impassioned with ideas
— knowing an idea with mindfulness firm —
dispassioned in mind,
one knows
and doesn't remain fastened there.
While one is knowing an idea
— and even experiencing feeling —
it falls away and doesn't accumulate.
Thus one fares mindfully.
Thus not amassing stress,
one is said to be
in the presence of Unbinding.
"It's in this way, lord, that I understand in detail the meaning of what the Blessed One said in brief."
"Good, Malunkyaputta. Very good. It's good that you understand in detail this way the meaning of what I said in brief."
following that teaching, Malunkyaputta and Bahiya,without following a practice of jhanas, both become arhants.
This is what the Early Buddhist Texts shows