What is an independent Brahma?

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What is an independent Brahma?

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Any theories? I've read a few entries that mentioned them? What are they? I'm sorry this probably doesn't belong here and I'm not an expert. But they visited Gautama a few times when he attained enlightenment. TQ
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In the commentaries a Paccekabrahmā is defined as, “A Brahmā that goes about alone, not a Brahmā with a retinue” (ekacārī brahmā, na parisacārī brahmā).

When any background information is offered about them, those found in the suttas all seem to be living in the Pure Abodes.
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Mumfie wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:20 am In the commentaries a Paccekabrahmā is defined as, “A Brahmā that goes about alone, not a Brahmā with a retinue” (ekacārī brahmā, na parisacārī brahmā).

When any background information is offered about them, those found in the suttas all seem to be living in the Pure Abodes.
Yes indeed. In the 2nd and 3rd jhana, the 2 lower realms always starts with paritta and appamana. Thank you mister.
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A Buddha which is part of the Three Jewels', being non-separate from them. Striving for Buddhahood as a Bodhisattva, I held and hold the Three Jewels', the Buddha, the Dhamma, and the Sangha as one complete unit, in this sense any one who becomes a Buddha is independent. Aren't they? In Sagacity, in thoughts without nconsistencies from Eachother. Nama Om. Buddhahood is the most important thing for a Brahma King.
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Mahabrahma wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:29 am A Buddha which is part of the Three Jewels', being non-separate from them. Striving for Buddhahood as a Bodhisattva, I held and hold the Three Jewels', the Buddha, the Dhamma, and the Sangha as one complete unit, in this sense any one who becomes a Buddha is independent. Aren't they? In Sagacity, in thoughts without nconsistencies from Eachother. Nama Om. Buddhahood is the most important thing for a Brahma King.
Buddha is the teacher
Dhamma is the truth
Sangha is the school

Remember they didn't have internet or TV/radio in the past. No telegraph either, no electricity. No long range telecommunication. Most people are even still illiterate.

To become a Buddha it takes 100k mahakalpa according to the buddhavamsa. How long does it take to become an arahat?
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Mahabrahma wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:29 am in this sense any one who becomes a Buddha is independent. Aren't they?
Sammāsambuddhas are called "self-dependent" (sayambhū), not "independent" (pacceka).

They can't be called pacceka, for they have retinues of disciples. They are called sayambhū because their awakening is not dependent on the guidance of another.
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With jhana, I suspect a Brahma attains the ability of shape shifting or physical transformation. Which is called creating a magical body in the suttas. CMIIW. But does a Brahma have a true form?

This is why brahmaloka is called the non sensual realm. The 5 senses correlate with the neural system. And with shape shifting ability, neurones become irrelevant. This is also why there is no pain in brahmaloka. This is also why Brahmas are genderless because they can manifest or get rid of sexual glands/organs at will.

Given an Apsara, a pretty girl is pleasant to the senses. Her visual appearance, her voice, her soft skin, her perfume. Except she doesn't taste sweet or sour :tongue:
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Training the mind is cool. Taking one a Wife in Sacred Marriage even for Brahma is cool. And studying Buddhism with the whole body intact as it is meant to be, instead of straying from the body Brahma Himself engineered, is way past cool. It's all in the mind, and the extension of our Metta. No need to answer me if you want to start an argument based on mental speculation. Thank you.
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That makes no sense. And it begs the question, what does the food in Brahma realm taste like? Aren't they supposed be nonsensical beings?
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