Why preserving sex energy so vital for spiritual development?

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Why preserving sex energy so vital for spiritual development?

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Why preserving sex energy so vital for spiritual development?

I am just talking about any type of releasing sex energy by any means. (with your partner, toys, masturbation, etc.)
The following video is about masturbation not about the other means of release.
For a Buddhist monk, even masturbation is an offense to be confessed.

Is there any scientific proof that not engaging in any form of sex is beneficial?
Are you happier if you keep all the goodies within yourself?
In other words are people happier if they are not engaged in sex?
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Video sounds unproven. All of the high performance sports stars who are paid millions of dollars & who are having sex all the time with fans & groupies. Her comments about pornography sound relevant although this cannot be correlated with masturbation. Masturbation watching pornography would be different to masturbation without pornography.
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Scabrella wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2023 6:03 am Video sounds unproven. All of the high performance sports stars who are paid millions of dollars & who are having sex all the time with fans & groupies. Her comments about pornography sound relevant although this cannot be correlated with masturbation.
Yes, it is a good point.
Perhaps this is something to do with spirituality.
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If you want jhana, sexual energy will bring you down.
You can’t repress the sexual energy but you can see it in comparison to a jhanic energy and come out if it.

You will have a tough time selling your happier sex free life philosophy to teenagers.
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thepea wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:08 am If you want jhana, sexual energy will bring you down.
You can’t repress the sexual energy but you can see it in comparison to a jhanic energy and come out if it.

You will have a tough time selling your happier sex free life philosophy to teenagers.
Teenager?
Try selling that to a 80 years old.
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SarathW wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:29 am
thepea wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:08 am If you want jhana, sexual energy will bring you down.
You can’t repress the sexual energy but you can see it in comparison to a jhanic energy and come out if it.

You will have a tough time selling your happier sex free life philosophy to teenagers.
Teenager?
Try selling that to a 80 years old.
:D
True.
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The problem is people don't really pay attention, study, and examine and remember how much energy is required for every activity we do.
Any engagement of the 6 senses has an energy cost, that's why the Buddha expects the baseline for serious practitioners to be noble silence (no talking, second jhāna samādhi or higher as "normal" baseline), or when we have to talk, to only talk about Dhamma.

If you really want to know, don't just believe what experts say, do your own experiment.
Go completely celibate for 100 days straight (no sexual activity, no masturbation, no lustful thoughts to best of ability), and compare the difference in your health, energy level, samādhi, memory, physical and mental strength.
If you can't tell the HUGE difference between before and after, you're either the dumbest person alive, or
low on the spiritual evolution scale, where you're just so obsessesed with sex and coarse sensual pleasures that perhaps you would be better off to just try to live a moderate life balancing some sexual activity with spiritual development, rather than fully commit to the Buddha's program.
SarathW wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:25 am Why preserving sex energy so vital for spiritual development?

I am just talking about any type of releasing sex energy by any means. (with your partner, toys, masturbation, etc.)
The following video is about masturbation not about the other means of release.
For a Buddhist monk, even masturbation is an offense to be confessed.

Is there any scientific proof that not engaging in any form of sex is beneficial?
Are you happier if you keep all the goodies within yourself?
In other words are people happier if they are not engaged in sex?
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frank k wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:04 pm If you really want to know, don't just believe what experts say, do your own experiment.
Go completely celibate for 100 days straight (no sexual activity, no masturbation, no lustful thoughts to best of ability), and compare the difference in your health, energy level, samādhi, memory, physical and mental strength.
If you can't tell the HUGE difference between before and after, you're either the dumbest person alive, or
low on the spiritual evolution scale, where you're just so obsessesed with sex and coarse sensual pleasures that perhaps you would be better off to just try to live a moderate life balancing some sexual activity with spiritual development, rather than fully commit to the Buddha's program.
You are unable to put a stop to the involuntary semen emission. So exactly what value what you are saying here has, if you lose what you have gained at night?
https://suttacentral.net/an5.210/en/sujato?layout=sidebyside&reference=none&notes=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin wrote: There are these five benefits of falling asleep mindful and aware.
What five?
You sleep at ease and wake happily. You don’t have bad dreams. The deities protect you. And you don’t emit semen.
based on your thoughts here,
frank k wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:20 pm I don't agree with that. I believe arahant monks do emit semen, and arahant nuns who are young still menstruate monthly.
The key is they (arahants) have perfected sati and sampajano, and have zero lust and no delusion.
But they still have to eat, shit, and bodies still carry on their biological functions.
If I had to guess, I'd say maybe arahant monks emit semen once or twice a year, whatever 'freshness' natural expiration date of viable semen needs to be replaced with fresh viable batch.
If someone were to rape an arahant nun who was fertile, would they not get pregnant?
If a doctor were to stick a needle in an arahant to extract some semen, would it not be viable (capable to producing children)?

That's the purpose of semen emission (done while asleep, but with no dream, no lust, just elimination of waste material)
What you claim is that you can't do sexual activity, can't have lustful thoughts.. isn't it same with what Brahm says about have no will, no thoughts? i mean you are suggesting frozen stupor just like him. Yet when it comes to involuntary things you have same attitude what you have towards Brahm, that the bodily things doesn't matter it is bodiless jhana.
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You don't have to be awake when losing. This point is addressed in chinese alchemy text, you don't need have lust up or dream to lose what you have gained and thus no progress on this front.
Besides the above, the act of sneezing will cause spirit to disperse
But are these errors possible to repair and still succeed(not emit, not sneeze) gathering the element, before cycle end? yes.
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ah, i think you read wrongly, you meant in general can't emit semen? but sutta means "benefits of falling asleep" it is during sleep.
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Kundalini has dominion over sexual reproductive system. I have read that original sin is biological sex. Before the fall, Eve bore children the way Mary conceived of Jesus.
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Adam1234 wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:56 pm Kundalini has dominion over sexual reproductive system. I have read that original sin is biological sex. Before the fall, Eve bore children the way Mary conceived of Jesus.
Sexual energy is a form of energy collected within the physical system biologically and conditionally . The main conditions for sexuality I suppose is age from teens upto the middle ages and opportunity .
In the sporting world much importance is given to sex involvement in order to retain mental condition and physical condition while there is a lot of research on this in the west . Some believe that sex helps relieve stress before contests .
When this point is taken it is seen that sexual energy is related biologically to the mind and stressfulness while at the same time is an obstacle to meditation and concentration . Tantrism is the main sector of buddhism which takes up sex for spirituality . Tantra and for that matter hinduism instructs the followers to use breathing in intercourse to withhold ejection and orgasm to control this sexual energy and is found to be successful .
Methods adopted by tantra yoga to be in control can be viewed by addressing google for sex and tantra yoga in tibet .
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Actually when one gain & able to maintained samma samadhi, The physical body function will change, because one gain control over or transcend from the biological body function with wisdom and free mind.

There won’t be any sexual thoughts ever anymore if someone can gain and maintain samma sati/samadhi 24/7. When there is no desire, the body will not produce unneeded biological function. Even a sweat is minimal to none. The skin will become gold colored with a golden sheen. The dust and dirt doesn’t stick to the body. Breath will cease. Mind will automatically become ultra focus.

Don’t believe me look at Aggaññasutta DN 27 about how the Abhassara being evolved to become physical human with sex function due to lot of desires.

Using The Buddha teaching, one can reverse the process. Cut/let go the desires. Well, start from hearing true dhamma of course, then precepts, etc.

O btw, if one gain and maintain samadhi 24/7, it is impossible to emit semen even during sleeping time.

Don’t try to hard to stop sexual desire, without perfected senses restraint and satipatthana + other factors. It is impossible to do, one will fail over and over until samma samadhi is fully developed,

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justindesilva wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:41 am
Adam1234 wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:56 pm Kundalini has dominion over sexual reproductive system. I have read that original sin is biological sex. Before the fall, Eve bore children the way Mary conceived of Jesus.
Sexual energy is a form of energy collected within the physical system biologically and conditionally . The main conditions for sexuality I suppose is age from teens upto the middle ages and opportunity .
In the sporting world much importance is given to sex involvement in order to retain mental condition and physical condition while there is a lot of research on this in the west . Some believe that sex helps relieve stress before contests .
When this point is taken it is seen that sexual energy is related biologically to the mind and stressfulness while at the same time is an obstacle to meditation and concentration . Tantrism is the main sector of buddhism which takes up sex for spirituality . Tantra and for that matter hinduism instructs the followers to use breathing in intercourse to withhold ejection and orgasm to control this sexual energy and is found to be successful .
Methods adopted by tantra yoga to be in control can be viewed by addressing google for sex and tantra yoga in tibet .
Copulation is for to cultivate female energy and release it at the climax. Male energy is cultivated from female energy. Male energy is cultivated by postponing climax(like a asteroid what tail is seen in front of it, you know the cause of release and avoid it). If not know how to cultivate male energy and only release female energy then one will become a ghost. Safe bet is to not copulate at all, so that you wouldn't corrupt your soul.
During copulation there are different kind of processes, on a larger scale these processes are separate instances gapped by many days and weeks. By pre-birth practices what cultivate male energy, the female energy is to be held within by force or determination so that it would release without having physical symptoms, when the female energy is released then there occur ailment(with physical symptoms) and this ailment can be fixed by using mind and the ailment will subside by itself, the severity of ailment depends on how developed your mind is. Or underdeveloped mind doesn't have the ailment occurring at all, there is some different kind of problem instead.
Female energy can be released by using internal breath what reaches the psychic center in lower abdomen where the energy is.
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No need to talk about sexual energy whether it exist or not. Sex, sexual fantasy is lust, greed. That is a hindrance to concentration. Without concentration there is not wisdom.
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