400 Noble Truths

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User1249x wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:25 am
James Tan wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:24 am
User1249x wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:23 am
my understanding of it surely will change, what is ultimately possible and impossible wont change
Haha , good luck !
what do you mean?
If you already fixed your mind , you are in rigidity state , then you won't be able to see and comprehend if there are other Possibility !
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James Tan wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:27 am If you already fixed your mind , you are in rigidity state , then you won't be able to see and comprehend even if there are other Possibility !
maybe others will be able to comprehend do tell sir

Also it is offensive to assume that i am unable to entertain ideas that i do not agree with, none taken tho.

If what i said was not rightfully said then Tathagatas do not teach same Truths on what is possible and impossible?
“But, venerable sir, in what way can a bhikkhu be called skilled in what is possible and what is impossible?”

“Here, Ānanda, a bhikkhu understands: ‘It is impossible, it cannot happen that a person possessing right view could treat any formation as permanent ― there is no such possibility.’
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Back to the sutra... excerpt from chapter 22 which goes into great detail about the Fourth Truth - the Path - the Ten Treasuries.

First is Faith or Belief:
I. The Treasury of Belief

“Disciples of the Buddha, what is the Bodhisattva Mahasattvas’ Treasury of Belief?”

“These Bodhisattvas believe that all Dharmas are empty. They believe that all Dharmas are without an appearance. They believe that all Dharmas are wishless. They believe that all Dharmas are without creation. They believe that all Dharmas are without distinctions. They believe that all Dharmas are without reliance. They believe that all Dharmas are not able to be measured. They believe that all Dharmas are Unsurpassed. They believe that all Dharmas are difficult to transcend. They believe that all Dharmas are without production.”

“If Bodhisattvas can accord with all Dharmas in this way, then after they give rise to pure belief, when they hear that all Buddhadharmas are inconceivable, their minds are not afraid. When they hear that all Buddhas are inconceivable, their minds are not afraid. When they hear that the realm of living beings is inconceivable, their minds are not afraid. When they hear that the Dharma Realm is inconceivable, their minds are not afraid. When they hear that the realm of empty space is inconceivable, their minds are not afraid. When they hear that the realm of Nirvana is inconceivable, their minds are not afraid.”

“When they hear that the past is inconceivable, their minds are not afraid. When they hear that the future is inconceivable, their minds are not afraid. When they hear that the present is inconceivable, their minds are not afraid. When they hear that entering every kalpa is inconceivable, their minds are not afraid.”

“Why not? These Bodhisattvas, residing in the places of Buddhas, have thoroughly solid faith.
Good and evil have no fixed form. It's as easy to turn from doing bad to doing good as it is to flip over the hand from the back to the palm. It's simply up to us to do it. Master Hsuan Hua.
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A presentation of the Arya truths as another realm sees it-- from the new Dharmamitra translation of chapter Eight in his three volume Avatamsaka Sutra, Kalavinka Press 2022:
Sons of the Buddha, in the Secret Training World, what is referred
to in this Sahā World as the āryas’ truth of suffering may be synonymous
with the root of seeking, with not achieving emancipation,
with the root of the fetters, with doing what one should not do, with
constant contentiousness, with having no power of discernment,
with the bases on which actions depend, with extreme suffering,
with agitation, or with things with form.

Sons of the Buddha, in the Secret Training World, what is referred
to as the āryas’ truth of the accumulation of suffering may be synonymous
with acquiescing in saṃsāra, with defiled attachment, with
being roasted, with flowing along in cyclic existence, with the roots
of ruination, with continuing along in the stations of existence, with
evil conduct, with cravings-based attachment, with the source of
sickness, or with partial assessment.

Sons of the Buddha, in the Secret Training World, what is
referred to as the āryas’ truth of the cessation of suffering may
be synonymous with the ultimate truth, with emancipation, with
praiseworthiness, with peace and security, with skillful entry into
the stations, with training, with unity, with absence of karmic transgressions,
with abandoning desire, or with decisiveness.

Sons of the Buddha, in the Secret Training World, what is referred
to as the āryas’ truth of the path to the cessation of suffering may be
synonymous with valiant leadership, with supreme practice, with
transcendence, with the possession of skillful means, with the eye
that beholds uniform equality, with abandoning the extremes, with
complete awakening, with attraction, with the supreme eye, or
with contemplation of the directions.

Sons of the Buddha, in the Secret Training World, in speaking of
the four truths of the āryas, there are four hundred myriads of koṭīs
of designations such as these by which, adapting to the minds of
beings, one enables the training of them all.
Good and evil have no fixed form. It's as easy to turn from doing bad to doing good as it is to flip over the hand from the back to the palm. It's simply up to us to do it. Master Hsuan Hua.
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Good to "see" you back, Nicholas.

May you be well!
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