SecretSage wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:00 pm
Certain Christian and Muslim groups support principles Theravada says leads towards hell like intolerance, violence, warfare, wrong speech, and others.
I think that the majority of Christians and Muslims are probably going to hell, the animal realm, or the realm of ghosts after death except for the groups centered around metta (loving-kindness) teachings.
Many Christian and Muslim groups don't have a concept of hell centered around denying that suffering exists with ideas like "God will take care of everything, it always works out in the end, it's always a happy story with a happy ending"...they don't think there's any such thing as anything negative or any suffering exists...this allows them to sin ceaselessly without considering that anything negative could happen.
Many Christian and Muslim groups are similar to the ascetics who practice painful austerities reasoning that generating painful feelings leads to heaven or upwards whereas early Buddhism teaches the exact opposite.
It's mentioned that almost no ascetic who practiced painful austerities ever went to a heavenly world after death.
What do you think? It's already stated the majority of people in general go to hell, the animal realm, or the realm of ghosts after death.
I think they're hell worshippers or painful feeling worshippers...spawns from hellish worlds...except for some centered around metta teachings.
The Bible speaks of a future age when there are no wars. Some wars seem to have a noble cause, others not. Sometimes people may be deceived by a particular war because of propaganda or poor understanding. I believe this is especially common today. There is a great deal of money and power involved in what is referred to as the military industrial complex and others who are trying to control the world via conflict and other means. President Eisenhower made a famous speech and warned us of the military industrial complex. Propaganda and control of the press and corporate control is very strong these days. It may occur in countries where there are a lot of Christians but it is not run by religious people for the most part. This is often referred to as the new world order and the kinds of people behind these are more pagan than anything and the truth is there are secret occult groups involved as well
The book of James says:
Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.
And also says:
Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him
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I don’t think it says that suffering will not occur but there is an attitude about suffering which is not always easy.
This is also a catholic prayer:
“Lord forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell.
Lead all souls to heaven especially those most in need”
Jesus also said “do not be deceived”. He also said even the elect may be deceived. I believe we live in a world where many are deceived because of intense propaganda.
Jesus said:
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible