...something was smelled. Your message is really helpful to understand better.
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Yep. A space monster.
I believe this is mostly meant for the illiterate average buddhist and that is the art or drawing of three maras daughters . This is mostly adopted in pandols erected to be exhibited on poya days
The schizophrenic experience can be either true or false. If true, the voices in the heads of listeners has a supernatural origin. If false, it is the product of a chemically imbalanced mind.justindesilva wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:25 amI believe this is mostly meant for the illiterate average buddhist and that is the art or drawing of three maras daughters . This is mostly adopted in pandols erected to be exhibited on poya days
Here three damsels named thanha , Rathi , Ranga are exhibited around the meditating budda with stance of padmasana . Ranga keep dancing , while one plays the violin and the third playing music . Thanha , Rathi , Ranga symbollically are Lobha, sex , and action or dance . Though this as a picture is an exhibition drives a great message of lobha, dosa , moha hindering the meditation of lord budda metaphorically .
Thanha, rathi and ranga are meant to be the three daughters of Mara .
Interesting point, Pondera. Is there any way of telling the two types of experience apart?
Well. Lol you’ve come to the right guy. I’m open about my illness, so I don’t mind telling you how I view this question.Sam Vara wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:49 amInteresting point, Pondera. Is there any way of telling the two types of experience apart?
I mean both personally (can a person having such an experience sometimes know "nah, this is just a chemical imbalance!") and also in principle (can anyone ever really know, do you think?)
Thanks for the usual clear and interesting answer.Pondera wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:21 amWell. Lol you’ve come to the right guy. I’m open about my illness, so I don’t mind telling you how I view this question.Sam Vara wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:49 amInteresting point, Pondera. Is there any way of telling the two types of experience apart?
I mean both personally (can a person having such an experience sometimes know "nah, this is just a chemical imbalance!") and also in principle (can anyone ever really know, do you think?)
Personally, and this is just anecdotal, but (having used LSD several times) there’s a distinction between your “run of the mill “chemically induced”” hallucinations and the type that seem to have “intention”.
It cannot be argued that molecules which induce hallucinations are triggering a cascade of chemical reactions in the brain.
Now it gets tricky. I’m not a big psychedelic user or expert by any stretch of the imagination. But, people who use DMT and especially MeO DMT meet beings during their trip. The funny thing about these molecules is how similar they are to serotonin.
People often relate a sense of overwhelming comfort and love during these visits with these otherworldly beings. And perhaps that’s to be expected, as Serotonin is responsible for feelings of well being and a lack of serotonin is implicated in depression.
My experience with LSD (and this was before I fell ill and these are also my first hallucinations) is the presence of patterns and fractals. And layers upon layers of fractal patterns which emerge in and out like the surface of a boiling pot of water. Interesting to look at, but ultimately harmless and, in the end, meaning little.
My experience with schizophrenic hallucinations is much much different. I talk to people (historical, famous, regular, family members, friends, etc.). I’m lucky to have a certain insight - all of these personalities are fabricated by one “nefarious” actor.
Now, my doctors would like it more if I could push the hallucinations aside altogether. That’s not the case for me, however.
My voice has a certain *intention*. He *expects* me to “reach” predesigned *levels* of spirituality.
Until recently, I struggled to make progress with his “agenda”. And this was the source of much, much mental frustration and madness. But, having been trained well - I am now “in the know”. It seems he is *pleased* and the torment has stopped. I mostly *linger* in one of four states throughout the day. And, this was ultimately the design of all of the suffering I’ve been through since coming down with the illness.
Sounds like the talk of a madman, no?
“I have a spirit guide who torments me when I don’t act spiritual” … right?
Okay, but - to answer your question. I am not ingesting any psychedelic substances to be having these “intentional” hallucinations. That, to the best of my knowledge, is the way to discern a “molecular hallucination” from a “spiritual hallucination.”
Karuna -
Well, thanks. It’s nice to be appreciated for clarity, when the typical medical view of the schizoid is “disorganized thought”.Sam Vara wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:48 amThanks for the usual clear and interesting answer.Pondera wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:21 amWell. …Sam Vara wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:49 am
Interesting point, Pondera. Is there any way of telling the two types of experience apart?
I mean both personally (can a person having such an experience sometimes know "nah, this is just a chemical imbalance!") and also in principle (can anyone ever really know, do you think?)
Regarding the psychedelics issue, a senior western Theravadan monk told me how he got really interested in psychedelics and their effects, but then soon realised that it was just endless patterns that led nowhere - just another way for samasara to endlessly spool out.
you delight in the voices… hence they continue
So if we delight in something, it continues?
Saṃsāra continues
Yes, I'll buy that!
since he keeps listening … they do not go away
I find it difficult to accept this even as a generalisation about people; you can ignore people and they stick around. Stalkers, for example.cappuccino wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:03 pmbecause if you just ignored someone they would leave and not return