Contradiction 1- Viññāṇa Means Consciousness?

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The following is a summary of the fundamentals of Buddha Dhamma.

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Lal wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:27 pm The following is a summary of the fundamentals of Buddha Dhamma.
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There are other kinds of craving as well, like craving for existence and craving for non-existence.

kāma-taṇhā (craving for sensual pleasures), bhava-taṇhā (craving for existence), and vibhava-taṇhā (craving for non-existence).
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auto wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:40 pm ..
Anyway just climb the ladder. The higher you go, the higher you will see the impure teaching. Even in this current Buddha teaching.

Buddha say one thing, but people do and interpret it the opposite way.

Those Abhidhamma is the same. Even when you accept the abhidhamma, you need to verify EVERY SINGLE Statement from those. Can't miss even 1 statement.

o Btw, not many people especially so called "buddhist" go to heaven nowadays. Most go to lower realms.
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Joe.c wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:52 pm
auto wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:40 pm ..
Anyway just climb the ladder. The higher you go, the higher you will see the impure teaching. Even in this current Buddha teaching.

Buddha say one thing, but people do and interpret it the opposite way.

Those Abhidhamma is the same. Even when you accept the abhidhamma, you need to verify EVERY SINGLE Statement from those. Can't miss even 1 statement.

o Btw, not many people especially so called "buddhist" go to heaven nowadays. Most go to lower realms.
The wisdom can refer to abhidhamma when buddha says:
https://suttacentral.net/mn111/en/sujato?layout=sidebyside&reference=none&notes=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin wrote:“Sāriputta is astute, mendicants.
“Paṇḍito, bhikkhave, sāriputto;
He has great wisdom,
mahāpañño, bhikkhave, sāriputto;
based on what translator says,
astasahasrika translator's foreword wrote:On the other hand, Sariputra 22 had been for the Elders the first of those
who excelled in wisdom. “Wisdom” is here a term for the “Abhidharma” which
had grown up in the community about three centuries after the death of the
Buddha. The Abhi-dharma, or “higher doctrine,” was system of meditation which
analysed and classified all those processes and events in the conditioned world
which could be held to affect salvation. Obsessed with this task Sariputra is now
depicted as being blind to the One Ultimate Truth, of being incapable of getting
away from his preoccupation with multiplicity and dualities, and of facing the
undifferentiated oneness of emptiness. It is his very insight into the absence of
self in all conditioned things which now prevents him from comprehending the
relation of the self to the Absolute (as e.g. at A VIII 187-88).
from above the preoccupation with dualities and multiplicity might be the thing what prevents one to become irreversible bodhisatta,
astasahasrika 45 wrote:Qualities of Irreversible Bodhisattva [323-38]
“They are free from the perception of multiplicity, ..
that above can be verified in sutta,
https://suttacentral.net/mn137/en/sujato?layout=sidebyside&reference=none&notes=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin wrote:When you’ve understood the impermanence of sights—their perishing,..
Such equanimity transcends the sight.
..
And what is equanimity based on diversity?
There is equanimity towards sights, sounds, smells, tastes, and touches.
https://suttacentral.net/an6.63/en/sujato?layout=sidebyside&reference=none&notes=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin wrote:And what is the diversity of perceptions?
The perceptions of sights, sounds, smells, tastes, touches, and thoughts are all different.
how one is free from that perception,
https://suttacentral.net/mn137/en/sujato?layout=sidebyside&reference=none&notes=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin wrote:Therein, relying on equanimity based on unity, give up equanimity based on diversity.
..
Relying on non-identification, give up equanimity based on unity.
what unity is,
https://suttacentral.net/mn137/en/sujato?layout=sidebyside&reference=none&notes=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin wrote:And what is equanimity based on unity?
There is equanimity based on the dimensions of infinite space, infinite consciousness, nothingness, and neither perception nor non-perception.
knowing the implications above, i wonder why you reject abhidhamma?
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Chart 2. Nibbāna - End of Suffering:

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auto wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 4:30 pm knowing the implications above, i wonder why you reject abhidhamma?
Like i said you are just reading it. Have not realized any result. You use abhidhamma to justify the sutta. Those are completely different way of looking.

The path and fruit/result have been described FULLY in Sutta already. You just need to follow each step one by one to get the SAME fruit/result. Problem is do you have patient to wait for the development. It might take till end of life for 1 fruit.

Well like i said, in the end one will learn (hopefully) when one died. Whether one has transcended birth, oldage, and death or not. Most of them are a fool to wait for death.

If not, then restart & relearn again when one is in human world (if the true dhamma still exist). Worst one goes to lower realms, it is very long time & no chance to learn or even practice.

The way Buddha taught even if the lower teaching has survived and one got the chance to practice lower teaching. One can go to higher realm and have bigger chance to learn true Dhamma in future. Truly the Best Buddha for this period.

O btw, please don’t propagate something that you don’t know. It might cause the true dhamma to disappear fast, those kamma vipaka are indeed can be fatal and also lead to lower realms.

One more thing, don’t mix multiple explanation from book. This also lead to confusion and papanca.

Good luck.
PS: the above diagram is PAPANCA too. There is no kammic energy. Kamma is just kamma. Do bad thing result in bad vipaka and so on. Why do bad? Because not understand 4NT.
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Joe.c wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:51 pm ..
useless talk. Buddha told to avoid doing that.
Joe.c wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:51 pm One more thing, don’t mix multiple explanation from book. This also lead to confusion and papanca.
Sorry that i confuse you.
Joe.c wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:51 pm O btw, please don’t propagate something that you don’t know. It might cause the true dhamma to disappear fast, those kamma vipaka are indeed can be fatal and also lead to lower realms.
you mean you don't know. And now back to topic. This convo is end.
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Chart 3. Rebirth - Axiom of Buddha Dhamma:

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Chart 4. Dukkha - Future Suffering

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Chart #5. Five Aggregates - Mental Impressions

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Chart #6. "Timeline of Loka Samudaya“

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Lal wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:30 pm End of Suffering
stress is part of present life
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Is avija the opposite of mindfulness? Some people are ignorant that meta is giving and caring. Not cowardice and running away from the suffering of the world. Some people are ignorant and apathetic and fake.
money is worthless toilet paper • the tongue has no bone (a person might say one thing but it cannot be further from the truth) • you cannot teach a goat math as in you cannot teach the dhamma to a dumb person
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Chart #7. Saṅkhāra – An Introduction

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Chart #8. Kamma and Saṅkhāra

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