Indeed you are quite right. And by scripture I can't contradict you at all.SDC wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:06 pmThe suttas do not describe jhana as being induced on account of chemistry, but do so on account of deliberate effort to develop a lifestyle of virtue, restraint and seclusion from sense pleasures and unwholesome states. Psychedelics are not the topic of this thread, and are a purely sensual experience.Cause_and_Effect wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 4:01 am Some see it as causing a type of 'jhana' like state of expanded consciousness which likewise can trigger well documented psychic phenomena and insight into the nature of reality.
If you don't think it does that then that's fine.
Those who do will utilize them accordingly and beneficially and judiciously in conjunction with meditation.
I always make clear, I neither recommend not dissuade anyone from studying more about the subject, hence why I only reference the best academic material on it.
Furthermore, the six great knowledges (psychic powers), which are the topic of this thread, are said to become available to those who have put in that previous effort to develop wholesome inclinations of thought on top of an already wholesome non-doing of of what is considered misconduct. Couple that with seclusion, and the development of jhana, then those abilities may be there. Or they may not. I believe Sariputta had none.
What you are referring to when you talk about abilities on account of psychedelics are actually not what the suttas are describing at all.
Yet by the resolution of all paradoxes involving that Timeless Reality it is indeed all still possible.
I can only say that I can pay homage to Albert Hoffman, discover indeed of a path to the Infinite