New Theravada Bhikkhuni Ordinations a Cause for Joy

[santa100]

Read the 6th rule again.

Read my request for backup evidence again. So far you've provided none.

[Eko Care]

Can't you understand that the "very ordaining" breaks the 6th Garudhamma rule about validity of ordination,
and therefore breaks both Garudhamma and validity of ordination?

Be sensible.

[santa100]

Can't you understand that the "very ordaining" breaks the 6th Garudhamma rule about validity of ordination,
and therefore breaks both Garudhamma and validity of ordination?

The only thing I don't understand is your constant avoidance of providing evidence to back up your claim that modern bhikkhunis do not observe the Garudhammas.

[Eko Care]

Can't you understand that the "very ordaining" breaks the 6th Garudhamma rule about validity of ordination,
and therefore breaks both Garudhamma and validity of ordination?

The only thing I don't understand is your constant avoidance of providing evidence to back up your claim that modern bhikkhunis do not observe the Garudhammas.

Are you joking or serious? The "very ordaining" is the evidence.

[santa100]

Are you joking or serious? The "very ordaining" is the evidence.

No, I'm not. It's completely absurd to claim the "very ordaining" is the evidence. It that was the case, I could just simply claim that your "very accusation" of modern bhikkhunis of not observing the Garudhammas is the evidence of you yourself starting the beginning of the end of the Sasana, not the bhikkhunis!

[Eko Care]

It that was the case, I could just simply claim that your "very accusation" of modern bhikkhunis of not observing the Garudhammas is the evidence of you yourself starting the beginning of the end of the Sasana, not the bhikkhunis!

The "very ordaining" becomes an evidence, because it breaks the Garudhammas and Validity of ordination. (that is the reason)
But the "very accusation" doesn't break (the Garudhammas and Validity of ordination).

By the way, when did you become a feminist? Did you become a Non-theravadin? (or Nun-theravadin)

[santa100]

The "very ordaining" becomes an evidence, because it breaks the Garudhammas and Validity of ordination. (that is the reason)
But the "very accusation" doesn't break (the Garudhammas and Validity of ordination).

No, the "very ordaining" does not become an evidence until you yourself have provided the evidence. And you have not. Not once.

By the way, when did you become a feminist? Did you become a Non-theravadin? (or Nun-theravadin)

When did you become a secret agent of Mara? Afterall, if I was Mara, I'd make the same exact move, unleashing my goon, one who's pretending to be the utmost hardcore Theravada fundamentalist as a cover while cunningly destroying the Dhamma from the inside, first by wiping out half of the Buddha's Sangha, the Bhikkhunis Sangha!

[Eko Care]

I knew this feminism was the reason for you to cry asking unnecessary evidences.

Bhikkhunikkhandaka:
“This is impossible, Ānanda, it cannot come to pass, that the Truth-finder should allow greeting, standing up for, salutation and the proper duties between monks and nuns according to seniority. Ānanda, these followers of other sects, although liable to poor guardianship, will not carry out greeting, standing up for, salutation and proper duties towards women, so how should the Truth-finder allow greeting … and proper duties towards women?” Then the Lord, on this occasion, having given reasoned talk, addressed the monks, saying:

“Monks, one should not carry out greeting, rising up for salutation and proper duties towards women. Whoever should carry out (one of these), there is an offence of wrong-doing.”

[santa100]

I knew this feminism was the reason for you to cry asking unnecessary evidences.

And I knew selling your soul to Mara was the reason you've been trying so hard to wipe out half of the Buddha's Sangha, the Bhikkunis Sangha.

[Eko Care]

Modern invalid Bhikkhunis have already been wipen out formally by the Buddha's Sangha of all Theravada countries.

They might have complained to Mara.

[santa100]

Modern invalid Bhikkhunis have already been wipen out formally by the Buddha's Sangha of all Theravada countries.

They might have complained to Mara.

No, it was Mara's goons who tried to wipe them out in the past. And now the new younger generations of Mara's goons (you might be one among them intentionally or unintentionally) who'll continue with the effort.

[robertk]

This link has many details:
https://classicaltheravada.org/t/garuka ... tion/535/9
as Dan74 noted the traditional position is that once the bhikkhuni order went extinct it cannot be reinistated.

[santa100]

This link has many details:
https://classicaltheravada.org/t/garuka ... tion/535/9
as Dan74 noted the traditional position is that once the bhikkhuni order went extinct it cannot be reinistated.

And was this "traditional position" that states: "once the bhikkhuni order went extinct it cannot be reinstated" written down anywhere in the Suttas and/or Vinaya?

[DNS]

Modern invalid Bhikkhunis have already been wipen out formally by the Buddha's Sangha of all Theravada countries.

There are many fully ordained Theravada bhikkhunis in Sri Lanka, a Theravada country.

There is at least one bhikkhuni monastery/temple in Thailand, a Theravada country, see for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhammananda_Bhikkhuni

And then there are at least 1,000 or more bhikkhunis in Western nations.

[robertk]

This link has many details:
https://classicaltheravada.org/t/garuka ... tion/535/9
as Dan74 noted the traditional position is that once the bhikkhuni order went extinct it cannot be reinistated.

And was this "traditional position" that states: "once the bhikkhuni order went extinct it cannot be reinstated" written down anywhere in the Suttas and/or Vinaya?

In the Mahavamsa an ancient text, although not part of sutta, it states about the time when Mahinda first brought the Dhamma to Sri Lanka:

But the Queen Anulā, who had come with five hundred women to greet the theras, attained to the second stage of salvation. And the queen Anulā with her five hundred women said to the king: “We would fain receive the pabbajjā-ordination, your Majesty.”

The king said to a thera, “Bestow on them the pabbajja!” But the thera made answer to the king: “It is not allowed to us. O great king, to bestow the pabbajjā on women. But in Pataliputta there lives a bhikkhunī, my younger sister, known by the name Saṅghamittā. She, who is ripe in experience, shall come hither bringing with her the southern branch of the great Bodhi-tree of the king of samaṇas, O king of men, and (bringing) also bhikkhunīs renowned (for holiness); to this end send a message to the king my father. When this therī is here she will confer the pabbajjā upon these women.”
(Mahāvaṃsa ch. XV