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TRobinson465 wrote: Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:25 am
Radix wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:11 pm
People should learn how to grow food. Otherwise, they just don't respect it, don't value it. There should be mandatory kibbutz programs that _everyone _ would need to pass. Such as two years in an agrarian community where the only food available is the one people grow on their own.
yeah, the khmer rouge tried that with thier agrarian communist utopia. Didnt work out very well.
And how is that an argument that people should not learn how to grow food?
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Radix wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 6:52 pm
TRobinson465 wrote: Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:25 am
Radix wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:11 pm
People should learn how to grow food. Otherwise, they just don't respect it, don't value it. There should be mandatory kibbutz programs that _everyone _ would need to pass. Such as two years in an agrarian community where the only food available is the one people grow on their own.
yeah, the khmer rouge tried that with thier agrarian communist utopia. Didnt work out very well.
And how is that an argument that people should not learn how to grow food?
Mandatory anything for the sake of ideology generally goes badly. Mandatory agriarianism was enforced by the Khmer rouge and it was a disaster. Mandatory one child policy in china will lead to china's economic collapse as the generation born b4 the one-child policy retires with only one child to replace two parents. The only thing that sorta makes sense is mandatory military service, and only in nations that are under serious threat like Taiwan and S Korea.
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I think there need to be small communities where there's little to no driving. It's better for the air, wildlife, the body, economics, and socialization.

Originally, the college campus was designed to resemble a little town. Notice no driving.
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JamesTheGiant wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:42 am
TRobinson465 wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:13 am Overall its a boon for the next generation.
Not anymore. The young today are the last generation. Artificial Intelligence is not the impossible science fiction it once was, and will be here in one or two decades, followed quickly by human extinction unless we get really lucky and solve the control problem/alignment.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ControlProblem/wiki/faq/
raindevas prolly smarter than Ai.
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TRobinson465 wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:55 pmMandatory anything for the sake of ideology generally goes badly. Mandatory agriarianism was enforced by the Khmer rouge and it was a disaster. Mandatory one child policy in china will lead to china's economic collapse as the generation born b4 the one-child policy retires with only one child to replace two parents. The only thing that sorta makes sense is mandatory military service, and only in nations that are under serious threat like Taiwan and S Korea.
Mandatory primary education sure went badly, eh. Imagine all the stupidity that could have been prevented from being spewed if only more people were left illiterate!

Mandatory agriarianism was enforced by the Khmer rouge and it was a disaster.
And it's still no reason that people should not learn how to grow food.
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Radix wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:56 pm
TRobinson465 wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:55 pmMandatory anything for the sake of ideology generally goes badly. Mandatory agriarianism was enforced by the Khmer rouge and it was a disaster. Mandatory one child policy in china will lead to china's economic collapse as the generation born b4 the one-child policy retires with only one child to replace two parents. The only thing that sorta makes sense is mandatory military service, and only in nations that are under serious threat like Taiwan and S Korea.
Mandatory primary education sure went badly, eh. Imagine all the stupidity that could have been prevented from being spewed if only more people were left illiterate!

Mandatory agriarianism was enforced by the Khmer rouge and it was a disaster.
And it's still no reason that people should not learn how to grow food.
Mandatory education wasn't ideological. It was purely practical. In fact we can probably just teach ppl basic agriculture in schools, although most ppl won't use it just like how most ppl don't use a lot of what they learn in schools.
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FDA gives go ahead - dying monkeys say stop:

https://www.extremetech.com/science/neu ... hip-trials
This is a significant turnaround for the FDA, which initially rejected Neuralink's application for human trials in March 2023. At the time, the agency cited numerous safety concerns, like potential brain damage from the implantation and removal of thousands of tiny electrodes. The FDA was also concerned that the wireless charging battery could overheat and fail. Lithium fires inside the head are generally something to avoid.
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https://brownstone.org/articles/the-wuh ... -by-rfkjr/
What is often overlooked by academia, corporate media, and the Washington, DC political caste is that the history of modern biology (particularly microbiology, molecular biology, and virology) and the infectious disease pharmaceutical industry is intimately entwined with the American biowarfare enterprise.
Destructive science driven biowarfare/biodefense programs are among the current major blights on humanity. Kennedy's new book points out the history & function of these.
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Nicholas Weeks wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:08 pm https://brownstone.org/articles/the-wuh ... -by-rfkjr/
What is often overlooked by academia, corporate media, and the Washington, DC political caste is that the history of modern biology (particularly microbiology, molecular biology, and virology) and the infectious disease pharmaceutical industry is intimately entwined with the American biowarfare enterprise.
Destructive science driven biowarfare/biodefense programs are among the current major blights on humanity. Kennedy's new book points out the history & function of these.
Is this really news to anyone? Physics has also been mixed up with weapons development. Chemistry too.
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Humanity at the moment is in a period of transitioning from a relatively primitive society to a more highly advanced one. The damage we see being done today to the environment etc are the birth pangs of that new age. Eventually, as our technology progresses further and further, a lot of these issues will be resolved. Resolved by … technology. Wanting humankind to remain at a primitive level, even a 19th century level of development, will just lead to stagnation. Not to mention the hideous authoritarianism that would be required to suppress our natural curiosity and urge to discover and invent.

We are quite close to unlocking nuclear fusion. That alone would solve many of our current problems. The answer is in science and technology. In progress rather than regression. In other words, in being anti-Luddite.
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There is also a quite common view these days that human technology is somehow anti-nature. Unnatural in some way, artificial. I’ve never really understood this. When beavers create dams are the dams unnatural, artificial? No. They are part of nature, as they come from nature. The same with skyscrapers, cars, bridges and industrial power plants. They are more complicated than beaver dams, but the principle is the same. An animal modifying its environment to suite itself. Skyscrapers are just as natural as beaver dams. That which comes from nature is natural, and mankind is part of nature.
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Ceisiwr wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:30 pm Humanity at the moment is in a period of transitioning from a relatively primitive society to a more highly advanced one. The damage we see being done today to the environment etc are the birth pangs of that new age. Eventually, as our technology progresses further and further, a lot of these issues will be resolved. Resolved by … technology. Wanting humankind to remain at a primitive level, even a 19th century level of development, will just lead to stagnation. Not to mention the hideous authoritarianism that would be required to suppress our natural curiosity and urge to discover and invent.

We are quite close to unlocking nuclear fusion. That alone would solve many of our current problems. The answer is in science and technology. In progress rather than regression. In other words, in being anti-Luddite.
Yes, we just need to find solace in the thought that robots will live our lives for us.
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Radix wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:45 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:30 pm Humanity at the moment is in a period of transitioning from a relatively primitive society to a more highly advanced one. The damage we see being done today to the environment etc are the birth pangs of that new age. Eventually, as our technology progresses further and further, a lot of these issues will be resolved. Resolved by … technology. Wanting humankind to remain at a primitive level, even a 19th century level of development, will just lead to stagnation. Not to mention the hideous authoritarianism that would be required to suppress our natural curiosity and urge to discover and invent.

We are quite close to unlocking nuclear fusion. That alone would solve many of our current problems. The answer is in science and technology. In progress rather than regression. In other words, in being anti-Luddite.
Yes, we just need to find solace in the thought that robots will live our lives for us.
It’s hard to see how AI will develop, if even it will ever become self aware. If it does though it will be exciting and interesting times, but of course possibly dangerous too. Regardless AI is here now. Smashing up computers and living in huts won’t solve anything.
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Of course when it comes to AI we could take the Kent Brockman approach :jumping:

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Ceisiwr wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:56 pmIt’s hard to see how AI will develop, if even it will ever become self aware. If it does though it will be exciting and interesting times, but of course possibly dangerous too. Regardless AI is here now. Smashing up computers and living in huts won’t solve anything.
So in your limitless compassion and wisdom, what do you have to say to all those billions of people who will become redundant in your Brave New World (ie. who will face imminent death due to poverty and disease)?
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