When Early Buddhism became too complex?

Textual analysis and comparative discussion on early Buddhist sects and scriptures.
Ontheway
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Re: When Early Buddhism became too complex?

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Eko Care wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 8:57 pm Mahasamghikas say Theravada added more rules, because Theravada had more strict rules compared to Mahasamghika's lax version.

Yet at the Time of the 2nd council, Mahasamghikas didn't seem childsh enough to twist Nama-rupa, so as to invent very immature theories.

But they might have done many additions later.
True. That's why it is a safe bet to learn Buddha's teachings under Theravada.

I have been through the spinning world of modern Buddhist writers and famous guru monks, each contradictory with one another, and it is of no real benefits. Only more worrisome and frustration.
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Re: When Early Buddhism became too complex?

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Dhammas/Dharmas (teachings) or Suttas/Sutras are not the same as Vinaya texts (rules of the Sangha).
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Re: When Early Buddhism became too complex?

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thomaslaw wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 2:18 am
I think Early Buddhism does not become too complex now. This is because the following basic works presented in the English language useful for international communities by Choong Mun-keat provide clear direction and understanding for the studies in Early Buddhism:

The Fundamental Teachings of Early Buddhism: A Comparative Study Based on the Sūtrāṅga portion of the Pāli Saṃyutta-Nikāya and the Chinese Saṃyuktāgama (Series: Beitrage zur Indologie Band 32; Harrassowitz Verlag, Wiesbaden, 2000).

Ācāriya Buddhaghosa and Master Yinshun 印順 on the Three-aṅga Structure of Early Buddhist Texts”, Research on the Saṃyukta-āgama (Dharma Drum Institute of Liberal Arts, Research Series 8; edited by Dhammadinnā), Taiwan: Dharma Drum Corporation, August 2020, pp. 883-932.
Regarding the other two angas of Samyutta/Samyukta, i.e. Geya/Geyya and Vyakarana/Veyyakarana collections, the same author also has published the following articles (except for the Bala Samyukta):

"A comparison of the Pāli and Chinese versions of Jhāna Saṃyutta, Asaṅkhata Saṃyutta, and Abhisamaya Saṃyutta: early Buddhist discourses on concentrative meditation, the uncompounded, and realisation", Journal of the Oxford Centre for Buddhist Studies, 2021 (21), pp. 10-43.

“A comparison of the Pāli and Chinese versions of Nāga Saṃyutta, Supaṇṇa Saṃyutta, and Valāhaka Saṃyutta, early Buddhist discourse collections on mythical dragons, birds, and cloud devas”, Journal of the Oxford Centre for Buddhist Studies, 2020 (18), pp. 42-65.

“A comparison of the Pāli and Chinese versions of Okkantika Saṃyutta, Uppāda Saṃyutta, Kilesa Saṃyutta and Rāhula Saṃyutta, early Buddhist discourses on entering, arising, affliction, and the Venerable Rāhula”, Journal of the Oxford Centre for Buddhist Studies, 2018 (14), pp. 20-36.

"A comparison of the Chinese and Pāli Saṃyukta/Saṃyuttas on the Venerable Mahā-Maudgalyāyana (Mahā-Moggallāna)", Buddhist Studies Review (Journal of the UK Association for Buddhist Studies), v. 34.1 (2017), pp. 67-84.

“A comparison of the Pali and Chinese versions of the Kassapa Samyutta, a collection of early Buddhist discourses on the Venerable Kasyapa”, Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society (Cambridge University Press), vol. 27, issue 2 (2017), pp. 295-311.

“A comparison of the Chinese and Pali versions of the Sariputra Samyukta, a collection of early Buddhist discourses on the Venerable Sariputra”, in Journal of the Oxford Centre for Buddhist Studies, vol.10, May 2016, pp. 27-52.

"A Comparison of the Pāli and Chinese Versions of the Brahma Saṃyutta, a Collection of Early Buddhist Discourses on Brahmās, the Exalted Gods", Buddhist Studies Review (Journal of the UK Association for Buddhist Studies), vol. 31.2, pp. 179-194 (2014)

"A Comparison of the Pāli and Chinese Versions of the Gāmani Samyutta, a Collection of Early Buddhist Discourses to Headmen", Journal of Oxford Centre for Buddhist Studies, vol. 7, pp. 98-115 (2014)

"A comparison of the Pali and Chinese versions of the Sakka Samyutta, a collection of early Buddhist discourses on 'Sakra, ruler of the gods' ", in Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society, vol. 22, issue 3-4, October 2012 (Cambridge University Press), pp. 561–574.

"A comparison of the Chinese and Pali versions of the Bala Samyukta, a collection of early Buddhist discourses on "Powers" (Bala)", in Journal of the Oxford Centre for Buddhist Studies, vol.2, May 2012, pp. 84-103.

"A comparison of the Pali and Chinese versions of the Devata Samyutta and Devaputta Samyutta, collections of early Buddhist discourses on devatas "gods" and devaputras "sons of gods" ", Journal of the Oxford Centre for Buddhist Studies, vol.1, October 2011, pp. 60-88.

"A comparison of the Pali and Chinese versions of the Mara Samyutta, a collection of early Buddhist discourses on Mara, the Evil One", The Indian International Journal of Buddhist Studies', vol.10, 2009, pp. 35-53

"A comparison of the Pali and Chinese versions of the Brahmana Samyutta, a collection of early Buddhist discourses on the priestly Brahmanas", Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society, vol. 19, issue 03, July 2009 (Cambridge University Press), pp. 371-382.

"A comparison of the Pali and Chinese versions of the Vangisa-thera Samyutta, a collection of early Buddhist discourses on the Venerable Vangisa", Buddhist Studies Review 24 (1), 2007, pp. 35-45.

"A comparison of the Pali and Chinese versions of the Bhikkhu Samyutta, a collection of early Buddhist discourses on monks", Buddhist Studies Review 23 (1), 2006, pp. 61-70.

"A comparison of the Pali and Chinese versions of the Kosala Samyutta, an early Buddhist discourse on King Pasenadi of Kosala", The Indian International Journal of Buddhist Studies 7, 2006, pp. 21-35.

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Re: When Early Buddhism became too complex?

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A Catholic aunt told me: "Your religion is only for intelligent people". Maybe things are not so difficult. :anjali:
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