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At that time there was a monk who was a regurgitator. After regurgitating, he would swallow. The monks complained and criticized him, “This monk is eating at the wrong time.” They told the Buddha.

“This monk has only recently passed away as a cow. I allow a regurgitator to regurgitate. But you shouldn’t take it out of the mouth and then swallow it. If you do, you should be dealt with according to the rule.”
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It sounds like a monk was going to some great lengths to find a loophole to eat at the wrong time, i.e., later in the afternoon, by regurgitating and eating it again. Nasty! It looks like that's still an offense.
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He was either simultaneously or recently in a past life living as a cow. Regressing, letting go control of himself. Not a good thing.
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DNS wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:51 pm It sounds like a monk was going to some great lengths to find a loophole to eat at the wrong time, i.e., later in the afternoon, by regurgitating and eating it again. Nasty! It looks like that's still an offense.
Mmm. I'm curious. Why not take the Buddha's words at face value, as found in the Vinaya? In the world's reincarnation literature there are many references to bodily peculiarities in one life deriving from a previous life. The Vinaya as far as I can see makes no further reference to regurgitation. Perhaps you know of one I have missed? If not I think the Buddha has pronounced well on the subject, i.e. that it is no offence in this case.
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MikeRalphKing wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:16 pm
DNS wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:51 pm It sounds like a monk was going to some great lengths to find a loophole to eat at the wrong time, i.e., later in the afternoon, by regurgitating and eating it again. Nasty! It looks like that's still an offense.
Mmm. I'm curious. Why not take the Buddha's words at face value, as found in the Vinaya? In the world's reincarnation literature there are many references to bodily peculiarities in one life deriving from a previous life. The Vinaya as far as I can see makes no further reference to regurgitation. Perhaps you know of one I have missed? If not I think the Buddha has pronounced well on the subject, i.e. that it is no offence in this case.
I found the full reference:
At that time there was a monk who was a regurgitator. After regurgitating, he would swallow. The monks complained and criticized him, “This monk is eating at the wrong time.” They told the Buddha.

“This monk has only recently passed away as a cow. I allow a regurgitator to regurgitate. But you shouldn’t take it out of the mouth and then swallow it. If you do, you should be dealt with according to the rule.”
https://suttacentral.net/pli-tv-kd15/en ... ript=latin
So apparently one can regurgitate, but if you take it out of your mouth (to eat it later), then it is an offense.
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is the monk passed away as cow or in past life he was cow? is taking food out of mouth and eating it later lead to rebirth as cow?
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confusedlayman wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2023 6:18 am is the monk passed away as cow or in past life he was cow? is taking food out of mouth and eating it later lead to rebirth as cow?
Just eat your food.
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confusedlayman wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2023 6:18 am is the monk passed away as cow or in past life he was cow? is taking food out of mouth and eating it later lead to rebirth as cow?
This question referred is hinduism which refers to reincarnation , from soul of past life to the next life. But as per budda darma we should refer to punarbhava . Per paticcasamuppada what can transit from one life is gathi along with upadana and bhava . Gathi should be discussed as citta and cetasika that brings in character and not habits of the past life as cows birds or cricodiles.
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confusedlayman wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2023 6:18 am is the monk passed away as cow or in past life he was cow?
From that passage:
“This monk has only recently passed away as a cow.
He was a cow in his past life, so still had the inclination to regurgitate.
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This is sooo disgusting! Imagine taking it out of your mouth and then eating it. Who does that?!
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confusedlayman wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:47 pm At that time there was a monk who was a regurgitator. After regurgitating, he would swallow. The monks complained and criticized him, “This monk is eating at the wrong time.” They told the Buddha.

“This monk has only recently passed away as a cow. I allow a regurgitator to regurgitate. But you shouldn’t take it out of the mouth and then swallow it. If you do, you should be dealt with according to the rule.”
It is the spirit of a rule, not the letter that counts. The regurgitator's recent karma caused him to still regurgitate. Not eating any new food, he swallowed the vomit. This did not satisfy any desire for new food. He was just eating as he was used to...chewing food, swallowing it, and then returning it from what would have been the cow's first stomach back to the mouth for further chewing. This was not greed or desire.

The other monks saw not the spirit of the rule which was to control greed. They saw the letter of the law and it blinded them to full insight into the Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path.

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