Pronouncing "v"

[Lombardi4]

Why do some people pronounce "vipassana" as [wipassana], "bhagavato" as [bhagawato], "avijja" as [awijja], etc...?
Which is the correct pronunciation of "v" — [v] or [w]?
Or if both are correct, is it then a regional difference, i.e. Sri Lankans pronouncing it as [v] while Thais as [w]?

Thanks!

[Kare]

Why do some people pronounce "vipassana" as [wipassana], "bhagavato" as [bhagawato], "avijja" as [awijja], etc...?
Which is the correct pronunciation of "v" — [v] or [w]?
Or if both are correct, is it then a regional difference, i.e. Sri Lankans pronouncing it as [v] while Thais as [w]?

Thanks!

The correct pronunciation is probably the labio-dental [v] (although it has been discussed - according to Warder some think that the old pronunciation in the days when Pali was a spoken language, may have been the bilabial [w]). In the Thai language there is no [v]. The letter in the Thai alphabet that stands for the [v] in the Pali words, is pronounced as [w]. So the [w]-pronunciation heard today is probably influenced by the Thai.

[Lombardi4]

Thank you, Kåre!

[mikenz66]

Thai simply doesn't have a "v" sound, just as English doesn't have a number of sounds found in languages such as Thai, the various Chinese dialects, and even European languages such as Dutch (e.g. Van Gogh). Therefore, you don't find Thai pronouncing it as "v", just as you don't find many English speakers pronouncing Van Gogh correctly (it makes me feel like I'm making a rude noise!).

In my opinion, the "right" pronunciation is the pronunciation of the group one is chanting with. It would be silly to turn up to to a Thai Wat and create dissonance by loudly chanting a different pronunciation...


Mike

[retrofuturist]

Greetings,

From what I can gather the "v" isn't particularly common amongst Sri Lankans either... it's pronounced like more of a "w".

So much so that when writing certain Dhamma related words in English / Roman Script, they may even replace the "v" with a "w"!

Metta,
Retro.

[ancientbuddhism]

In the Tahi, true ‘v’ is replaced with ว. Also, the Thai rigor of pāḷi chanting insists on their particular ephony of retroflex consonents such as ṭ & ṇ, of which is rather hard to render any transliteration.

When I was chanting with the Lao saṅgha it was difficult to follow after training with the Thai, as they chant pāḷi according to the custom of Lao language. Lao does not use ‘r’ or ‘ch’ giving brahmacariya the euphony boomasara.

And as retro has mentioned, the Sri Lanka saṅgha does not seem to care. Although a Sri Lankan abbot I stayed with mentioned that there were some variations in the pāḷi texts where the 'v' is found replaced by 'b'.

[Gwi II]

Why do some people pronounce "vipassana" as [wipassana], "bhagavato" as [bhagawato], "avijja" as [awijja], etc...?
Which is the correct pronunciation of "v" — [v] or [w]?
Or if both are correct, is it then a regional difference, i.e. Sri Lankans pronouncing it as [v] while Thais as [w]?

Thanks!

It is "w" in Pāḷi, but the sound is
between "v" and "w". Same as "v" in
Spanish, which is similar to "b": veinte
(read: beinte). Or same as Javanese
(write: Java [language]; read: Jowo).

That's why I will popularize this: Ṽ/ṽ


Buddha (read: Bu-ddho)
・ "a" becomes "o" = masculine.
Same as chica and chico (in Spanish).


That's why I will popularize this: å
・(only changes in the middle and (majority) in
the back. So, there is no form of capital. Only a
few percent are non-inflections, such as "tato"
(not "tata/tatå"); ṭhānaso (not ṭhānasa/ṭhānaså).


Buddho, Dhammo, Sanggho (recommended)
Buddha, Dhamma, Sanggha (no problem)

[Sam Vara]

Buddho, Dhammo, Sanggho (recommended)

Only in the nominative singulo for this typo of nouno. Otherwise, plaino wrongo.

[Gwi II]

Buddho, Dhammo, Sanggho (recommended)

Only in the nominative singulo for this typo of nouno. Otherwise, plaino wrongo.

I know, there are also cases like this:

Buddho Gotama/Gotama Buddho (most correct)
Buddho Gotamo (wrong)
Gotama Buddha (don't know the changes)
Gotamo Buddha (wrong)


Samaṇo Gotamo (correct)
Samaṇa Gotama (don't know the changes)