Can you explain how do you understand yourself (self) please?

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SarathW
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Re: Can you explain how do you understand yourself (self) please?

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skandha wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:40 am
SarathW wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2024 7:01 pm - Basically, I have a five aggregate
No, you do not have the five aggregates, they are not yours. The five aggregates have "you", you are totally defined by the five aggregates.
Actually in this case you have a different wrong view to mine.
- I am the box
- Box is inside me
-I am inside the box
- Box and I are the same
-The box and I are different
etc.
They all are wrong views.
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Re: Can you explain how do you understand yourself (self) please?

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SarathW wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:52 am
skandha wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:40 am
SarathW wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2024 7:01 pm - Basically, I have a five aggregate
No, you do not have the five aggregates, they are not yours. The five aggregates have "you", you are totally defined by the five aggregates.
Actually in this case you have a different wrong view to mine.
- I am the box
- Box is inside me
-I am inside the box
- Box and I are the same
-The box and I are different
etc.
They all are wrong views.
:D We both have wrong views, just that they different. I don't deny that I have wrong views, otherwise I would be an ariya.

The "you" is only nominally defined by the 5 aggregates. Just like a "car" is nominally defined by its parts. An ariya would use "you" and "car" as a placeholder for conventional operation, in a way that is without greed, hatred and delusion.
A true master of knowledge has passed beyond all that is known and become dispassionate towards all vedanās.
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Re: Can you explain how do you understand yourself (self) please?

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I understand myself as unifying effect or action. The world is confused or engaged in endless narrative of opposing views, where my duty becomes to simply things and putting them back in order - through my own language.
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

This was the last word of the Tathagata.
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Re: Can you explain how do you understand yourself (self) please?

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An illusion that I'm stuck with for now, so I may as well use it as skilfully as possible.
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Re: Can you explain how do you understand yourself (self) please?

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Bundokji wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:47 pm I understand myself as unifying effect or action. The world is confused or engaged in endless narrative of opposing views, where my duty becomes to simply things and putting them back in order - through my own language.
This is called the "Crtya Sanna" of identifying yourself with action.
Gana Sanna has four types. ie: Samuha, Santati, Crutya, Arammana
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