Qn. on Three Refuges

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abhinav1
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Qn. on Three Refuges

Post by abhinav1 »

Namo Buddhaya

For a LAYPERSON Is it a mandatory practice of saying/reciting the 3 Refuges to start on the Path of the Buddha? Can you share any sutta references for that?

Or any guideline mentioned in the suttas for any formal instruction a layperson need to follow for starting on Buddha's Path.

Please note I am asking this purely from what is mentioned in the Pali suttas , not the customs etc.

Much thanks.
SarathW
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Re: Qn. on Three Refuges

Post by SarathW »

In early Buddhist days, people did not take formal three refuges.
Many even did not know that they were listening to Buddha.
They go for refuge only after listening to Buddha.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
zamis
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Re: Qn. on Three Refuges

Post by zamis »

As far as I know, SarathW has given the answer. Refuge taking/training, is a tool among many which is mainly for ourselves. The Buddha has no need of it. It's a mental note. Rather than seeking temporary escape in distractions like televised events/shows, celebrity news, shopping, doom scrolling, alcohol etc. which oftentimes themselves cause us needless stress (things we can't unsee, debt we can't carry, endless trivial mental activity, addiction and worse....) when we take Refuge in the Buddha, Dhamma and Noble Sangha (the community of realized beings), we make an effort to move away from these temporary distractions which serve to perpetuate the arising of suffering. We base ourselves in a commitment to find the permanent cessation of the 2nd Noble Truth- the arising of dukkha. Refuge can be undertaken again and again as we strive for the faith or wisdom that can carry us to stream entry.
"Therefore Ananda, live with yourself as an island, yourself as a refuge, there is no other Refuge. With the Teaching as an island, the Teaching as a refuge, there is no other Refuge." (DN 16)
Suddh
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Re: Qn. on Three Refuges

Post by Suddh »

“Lord, to what extent is one a lay follower?”
“Jīvaka, when one has gone to the Buddha for refuge, has gone to the Dhamma for refuge, and has gone to the Saṅgha for refuge, then to that extent is one a lay follower.”
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/AN/AN8_26.html

Usually in the suttas this process is depicted as the layperson making a verbal declaration of their going-for-refuge to the Buddha or a monk.
SarathW
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Re: Qn. on Three Refuges

Post by SarathW »

I go to Master Gotama for refuge, to the Dhamma, & to the community of monks. May Master Gotama remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge from this day forward, for life."
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
JohnSo
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Re: Qn. on Three Refuges

Post by JohnSo »

Taking the 3 refuge is very important for most followers of Buddhism (as a religion) & they need to continuously take the precepts for they have to continuously violate it.

However, for those who follows The Buddha Teachings, they do not need so. For they always apply what the Buddha has taught, uphold & maintain The Dhamma & respect Elders in The Ariya Sangha.

Regards

Regards
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