the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread

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Take a look at the ten questions the Buddha refused to answer. Questions 7-10 are:

Does the Tathagata (Buddha) exist after death?
Does the Tathagata (Buddha) not exist after death?
Does the Tathagata (Buddha) both exist and not exist after death?
Does the Tathagata (Buddha) neither exist nor not exist after death?

He refused to answer these questions because perusing the answer will be productive of dukkha (stress). I'm assuming this non-answer applies to all fully awakened beings, not just Buddhas, so you're overall question is unskillful.
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iddhi wrote: Sat Sep 03, 2022 6:16 pm Take a look at the ten questions the Buddha refused to answer. Questions 7-10 are:

Does the Tathagata (Buddha) exist after death?
Does the Tathagata (Buddha) not exist after death?
Does the Tathagata (Buddha) both exist and not exist after death?
Does the Tathagata (Buddha) neither exist nor not exist after death?

He refused to answer these questions because perusing the answer will be productive of dukkha (stress). I'm assuming this non-answer applies to all fully awakened beings, not just Buddhas, so you're overall question is unskillful.
In the whole of buddha sutras only one place is mentioned where all gone buddas are addressed. That is atanatiya sutra. It proves that all parinibbana buddas are not annihilated or dissolved.
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iddhi wrote: Sat Sep 03, 2022 6:16 pm Does the Tathagata (Buddha) exist after death?
Does the Tathagata (Buddha) not exist after death?
Does the Tathagata (Buddha) both exist and not exist after death?
Does the Tathagata (Buddha) neither exist nor not exist after death?

He refused to answer these questions because
The answer is that it does not apply
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Are there suttas talking about what powers Yama heaven inhabitants possess?
money is worthless toilet paper • the tongue has no bone (a person might say one thing but it cannot be further from the truth) • you cannot teach a goat math as in you cannot teach the dhamma to a dumb person
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What is Nibbana?

“Tathā suññataṃ animittaṃ appaṇihitañceti tividhaṃ hoti ākārabhedena.”

Akārabhedena: according to its qualities, tividhaṃ hoti: nibbāna is of three kinds, namely, suññataṃ: void of all obstacles (palibodha), animittaṃ: formless or signless, ca: and appaṇihitaṃ: desireless, free from all longings/Wantings

Above excerpt from "A Manual of Nibbana" by Venerable Ledi Sayadaw
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Below is from MN49 (Sujato translation). It has two interesting moments. First, the unconditioned is described as invisible and infinite consciousness. Thanissaro in his translations refers to this as consiousness without surface. Another very interesting thing is that when Buddha vanished from the conditioned world, he was able to communicate to Brahma while being beyond the scope of existance.


Well, good sir, if you have directly known that which is not within the scope of experience based on all, may your words not turn out to be void and hollow!

Consciousness that is invisible, infinite, entirely given up—that’s what is not within the scope of experience based on earth, water, fire, air, creatures, gods, the Progenitor, Brahmā, the gods of streaming radiance, the gods replete with glory, the gods of abundant fruit, the Vanquisher, and the all.

Well look now, good sir, I will vanish from you!’

‘All right, then, Brahmā, vanish from me—if you can.’

Then Baka the Brahmā said, ‘I will vanish from the ascetic Gotama! I will vanish from the ascetic Gotama!’ But he was unable to vanish from me.

So I said to him, ‘Well look now, Brahmā, I will vanish from you!’

‘All right, then, good sir, vanish from me—if you can.’

Then I used my psychic power to will that my voice would extend so that Brahmā, his assembly, and his retinue would hear me, but they would not see me. And while invisible I recited this verse:

‘Seeing the danger in continued existence—
that life in any existence will cease to be—
I didn’t welcome any kind of existence,
and didn’t grasp at relishing.’
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"By & large, Kaccayana, this world is supported by (takes as its object) a polarity, that of existence & non-existence. But when one sees the origination of the world as it actually is with right discernment, 'non-existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one. When one sees the cessation of the world as it actually is with right discernment, 'existence' with reference to the world does not occur to one." [SN 12.15 (see screenshot)].


* Existence = eternal
* Non-existence = annihilation
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Not this, not that.
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