Dear PulsarPulsar wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 3:18 pm Robertk wroteNn one is denying the existence of the five sense organs, If the eye was not there, how could awareness of sight arise? if the functional ear with the auditory nerve intact was absent, how could hearing arise?and this sutta explains the ayatana (I have bolded those that are materiality). Without eyebase there can be no seeing consciousness ... If there were no sound there could not arise hearing and so on.
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My real question was, does Abhidhamma assert that rupa of name-pupa of Dependent Origination, is physical/materail? I will keep it simple.
I am convinced when I read the original suttas of the buddha, that when he refers to Paticca samuppada, he is only teaching how the mind is affected by the world.DO does not deny the existence of the material world. But it is formulated to solve the problems (suffering) of one's mental world. Later Buddhists even thought that Paticca samuppada also teaches how Himalayas arose.
- Therefore paticca samuppada is a teaching on the behavior of consciousness only.
I am sure that was not even the last thought on Buddha's mind when he formulated the doctrine of DO.
With love
yes rupa is materiality in the Paticca-samupadda.
You agree that the next link (saḷāyatanapaccayā phasso; with the six sense bases as condition, contact) does include materiality so i am not sure why you would object to this link (nama-rupa paccaya salayatana) having some materiality.
Of course the key factors that lead to the continuation of the long round of births and deaths are entirely mental- ignorance and clinging, and the import of the Buddha's teaching is to see into them:
But this 'house' does have some physical elements."Seeking but not finding the house builder,
I hurried through the round of many births:
Painful is birth ever and again.
O house builder, you have been seen;
You shall not build the house again.
I don't know about the Himalayas and Paticca-samupadda - you might need to supply a reference.