Is the mind conditioned or unconditioned?cappuccino wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:37 pmNirvana is the state of mind of an arhat
Nirvana is unconditioned
In your view, understanding, Parinibbana is:
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Depends if you are an arhat or not
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Arahant's mind is conditioned or unconditioned?
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Unconditioned
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Does the mind of the Arahant not change as it persists?
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I think it’s like a mirror
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It changes as it persist, arising as one thing and ceasing as another. The mind that will be for them in future doesn't exist in the present and the mind that was in the past will have ceased.
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Answer this then is the mind of one Arahant the same as the mind of another Arahant?
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Yes, nirvana is the same
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Each Arhat is special in their own way. But this thread has mostly discussed their commenalities.
That sage who has perfect insight,
at the summit of spiritual perfection:
that’s who I call a brahmin.
-Dhammapada.
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Love is not an iceblock self. Nibbana is a Stream. Why do you think Buddhists are so adamant on calling it a Stream even if it is the same Stream? What changes, what stays the same? Do you at least agree that there are infinite varieties in Nibbana?
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That sage who has perfect insight,
at the summit of spiritual perfection:
that’s who I call a brahmin.
-Dhammapada.
at the summit of spiritual perfection:
that’s who I call a brahmin.
-Dhammapada.
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The unconditioned state is empty and pureMahabrahma wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:05 pm Do you at least agree that there are infinite varieties in Nibbana?
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I am sure you see how this doesn't work.
The mind of one Arahant is not the same thing as the mind of another.
If these minds were unconditioned then there can be no difference in them because the unconditioned can not be conditioned by anything external, it is not affected by anything and it's thusness is just that.
If the mind of an arahant is unconditioned then the mind of all Arahants past, present & future already exist because the unconditioned doesn't arise & cease.
Furthermore you then also assert that Arahants all have a hive-mind if you assert that there is only one unconditioned element or“Bhikkhus, there are these three characteristics that define the unconditioned. What three? No arising is seen, no vanishing is seen, and no alteration while it persists is seen. These are the three characteristics that define the unconditioned.”
https://suttacentral.net/an3.47/en/bodhi
Alternatively you assert that there are many unconditioned elements but then you must admit that these are different in that they are not of one and the same Arahant and so differently conditioned.
Not to mention that this is entirely heretical as to theravada where that which is called mind consciousness or intellect is dependently originated.
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And is not Emptiness made up of infinite varieties that are to be called "pure". Emptiness is not a void devoid of freedom, but the giver of it, hence the unconditioned.cappuccino wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:10 pmThe unconditioned state is empty and pureMahabrahma wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:05 pm Do you at least agree that there are infinite varieties in Nibbana?
That sage who has perfect insight,
at the summit of spiritual perfection:
that’s who I call a brahmin.
-Dhammapada.
at the summit of spiritual perfection:
that’s who I call a brahmin.
-Dhammapada.