Ven Analyayo on Dependent Origination

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Ven Analyayo on Dependent Origination

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In this post: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=30921#p451325
I mentioned Ven Analayo's discussion of Ven Nananada's discussion of name-and-form.

Here is some more from Ven Analayo's discussion of the Nibbana Sermons:
https://www.bcbsdharma.org/resources/bh ... -lectures/
At the beginning of Lecture 4 (12 May)
Transcript: https://www.bcbsdharma.org/wp-content/u ... ana-04.pdf
Lecture: https://rz-olat-conn01.rrz.uni-hamburg. ... ode=normal

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There is an extensive discussion of Dependent Origination.

Starting at about 2:00 minutes, there is a discussion about the diagram at the beginning of the Transcript, which helpfully points out how DO is not necessarily something linear.

Starting about 7:30 minutes, there is an illustration of time vs timelessness in DO, using Ven Analayo's cup and ruler (so you need to watch the video, not just listen to the audio). He points out that the later links (contact, feeling, craving, clining, etc...) can be interpreted as a temporal sequence, but the early parts are hard to intrepret temporally.

Ven Analayo points out that Theravada and other sects had both a three-lives and a one-mind-moment interpretation co-existing in their texts. He also relates to the Vedic sequence, as discussed by Jurewicz and discussed here: viewtopic.php?t=7464

Whether or not you agree with him, there is much food for thought there. The interesting interpretation he give is that the early links are related to Vedic creation myth, so would give a sense of familiarity to the audience, but then instead of the creation of the world, DO leads to creation of dukkha...

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mikenz66 wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:22 am In this post: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=30921#p451325
I mentioned Ven Analayo's discussion of Ven Nananada's discussion of name-and-form.
...Ven Analayo points out that Theravada and other sects had both a three-lives and a one-mind-moment interpretation co-existing in their texts. He also relates to the Vedic sequence, as discussed by Jurewicz and discussed here: viewtopic.php?t=7464
...
An article by Linda Blanchard is mentioned in one of those threads, but, oddly, not her book (Dependent Arising In Context)
(https://www.amazon.com/Dependent-Arisin ... 1481259547)
which plays-out Johanna Jurewicz's theory in some detail, adding some spin of her own.

That book is mentioned in other threads (earlier 2017), and she's been a student of Richard Gombrich.
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Thanks. I think the book is relatively new?

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mikenz66 wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:55 am Thanks. I think the book is relatively new?
Came out about 4 years ago. Here's a 1/2-hour SBA interview with her from about that time:
http://secularbuddhism.org/2014/06/07/e ... n-context/
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mikenz66 wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:22 am Ven Analayo points out that the later links (contact, feeling, craving, clining, etc...) can be interpreted as a temporal sequence, but the early parts are hard to interpret temporally.
The above limitation is from a limited mind. Thanissaro in his Shape of Suffering has no difficulty with temporal interpretation of all parts. Ven Analayo has obviously abandoned the definitions found in the suttas in preference for something else.
mikenz66 wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:22 amThe interesting interpretation he give is that the early links are related to Vedic creation myth, so would give a sense of familiarity to the audience ...
Sounds like the nonsense of Jurewicz & Gombrich. The impression is Analayo in interested in worldly controversy.
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